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[BethlehemFC]

Originally Posted by Jager

Not doubt about that, I think people are just disputing the rankings, that's all.

As someone said earlier the rankings are full of crap. I think they are screwy as well.
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[revolutionfan]

Originally Posted by BethlehemFC

As someone said earlier the rankings are full of crap. I think they are screwy as well.
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Yep. I agree US aren't 6th and Mexico aren't 5th, but I do think US is higher then some people are putting them.

[revolutionfan]

Originally Posted by Jager

Not doubt about that, I think people are just disputing the rankings, that's all. The US have a strong soccer team, and the MLS is growing. I for one want the league to get bigger, so my Whitecaps can join some time in the future.

The league will grow in the states, the fact that Mexicans are becoming the dominant minority, and they love footie, not too mention games from Europe are easier to come by.

On a side note, congrats on your Whitecaps beating Sunderland.

[Jager]

Originally Posted by revolutionfan

On a side note, congrats on your Whitecaps beating Sunderland.

Thanks...I appreciate the English clubs coming over, Millwall last year, and Hearts this year, but I wish they would invite some Italian clubs over.

[Deuce]

As Sean mentioned I had this arguement earlier at work, (I would have had it here, but Talksoccer is blocked by the Panasonic firewall, I guess longing in every day at work last summer tipped them off) Anywho, I'll regurgitate the earlier post then respond here:

Originally Posted by Other People

Fifa believe they are the 6th best team in the world, hmmm I wonder..well with the quality of opposition they have faced recently, I am not surprised they rose high in the rankings....


Jamaica, Costa Rica, Canada, Honduras, Cuba, Panama, Guatamala, Tinidad AND Tobago....

though respect is due to their victory over Columbia...

discuss

Originally Posted by Me

Costa Rica isn't a small win either, nor is Honduras, they both have very talented players, and have show in the Gold Cup that they are just about on Colombias level in that tournament. While we may not be sixth best overall, (more like the old 10th ranking to be honest) I do think we have had a pretty good run of form this summer while not using some of our better players. You look at the results this summer and we are playing with really our 3rd choice strikers and below. Wolff for all he does try to do isn't nearly as gifted aerially as McBride and isn't nearly as good as a healthy EJ on the ground. So really you are taking those to players out of the equation its like asking England to play with Heskey and Vassel or something. I do think that this lineup would give most teams so trouble as it has a bit of everything (I really wish Joseph had gotten a US Citizenship he would look perfect in the holding roll) the only thing we really need a solid LB or another CB to step up to allow Bocanegra to move to LB.
--------------Johnson--------------
Beasley-------Donovan------Ralston
----------Reyna----Dempsey-------
Bocanegra-Onyewu-Pope-Cherundolo
----------------Keller---------------

Hanneman, Gibbs, Albright, Armas, Davis, Noonan, McBride

Maybe in the future Conrad or Albright can replace Pope, even someone like a Boswell or a Parkhurst. And O'Brien when he is fit and on form again

I think that squad while not top 6 in the world does deserve top 10 consideration.

Originally Posted by Other people

USA can't hold the Portugueses ball bag

Originally Posted by Me

I am simply saying, you have seen in the past how Portugal when they are in major tournaments always seem to underachieve, while the US always seems to do better than everyone expects. I agree Portugal has much better individual players and much more famous who play for bigger clubs, but outside EURO2004, have they ever lived up to expectations outside their Golden Generation very early years? The US as you said is a group of hardworking players unknown players, but they realize that they cannot win one v. one battles so they always work together, there is no CR7 stepover marathon or Figo sulking to the the sidelines after being subbed. I doubt anyone would have expected us (outside the US fans) to knock Germany out of the last WC, which we should have but that is a different story. All I am saying is maybe its the tactics we use, or the workrate of our players, but our teams always seem to get the upper hand against the Portuguese teams. While I would probably rate: Holland, England, Italy, Czech Rep, Spain, France, Brasil and Argentina above us as you said, Portugal and Mexico are very much our equals if we played either of them over in Africa or Asia or something like that behind closed doors, I do think the US would have every chance to win that match.

Originally Posted by Other people

The plays well because noone rates them

Originally Posted by Me

Not disagreeing there and I am sure teams will still do that to us in 2006, but all I am saying is if you want to be a top team, do what England did to us with their second team vs our second team come out motivated play hard and beat us. Because of the confederation we are in, we never will be shown to have beaten top teams, because we rarely face top class teams in games that matter, really only the WC. I think this is a blessing and a curse. But we have shown that outside Mexico there really is noone in CONCACAF we fear and even then Mexico is only our equal.

[robaldo]

its not just the USA, i dont think teams like Holland, Mexico, Japan, Iran should be where they are

[Jager]

I actually think other than gauranteeing WC places, it could be a detriment to play in the concacaf zone with so many weak sisters.
Holland, England, Italy, Czech Rep, Spain, France, Brasil and Argentina ...hmm. I would have to think about this.

Sweden, Greece, Turkey, Portugal......I think these teams have more talent than the US, and I think just because they haven't done well in tournaments, doesn't mean they should be considered qaulity sides. Though they didn't qaulify for the Euro, I still consider them on the way up. If they ever get a good coach, look out.

I think the Americans are very well organized, and have a qaulity coach.

In the end I think rankings are rubbish. Don't look to much into them, what do they really mean anyways???

So many emerging countries in football now, such as Mexico, Iran, Japan...and of course the African nations.

[Candide]

USA can suck my balls.

Just goes to show how far FIFA have their heads up their arse.

Imagine the consiquences if all international and club level teams boycott the FIFA system.

[BethlehemFC]

Originally Posted by Ch33kY

USA can suck my balls.

Just goes to show how far FIFA have their heads up their arse.

Imagine the consiquences if all international and club level teams boycott the FIFA system.

Grow up a bit. You can see that everyone here is able to have a mature discussion without name calling. Can't you do the same?

It's obvious from the tone of the discussion that no American on here (or 90% at least) has some absurd idea that we are a football power. The US is a quality side -- to go with the many other quality footballing nations that are NOT powerhouses or part of the football elite.

[Ricochet]

Originally Posted by Jager

I actually think other than gauranteeing WC places, it could be a detriment to play in the concacaf zone with so many weak sisters.
Holland, England, Italy, Czech Rep, Spain, France, Brasil and Argentina ...hmm. I would have to think about this.

Sweden, Greece, Turkey, Portugal......I think these teams have more talent than the US, and I think just because they haven't done well in tournaments, doesn't mean they should be considered qaulity sides. Though they didn't qaulify for the Euro, I still consider them on the way up. If they ever get a good coach, look out.

I think the Americans are very well organized, and have a qaulity coach.

In the end I think rankings are rubbish. Don't look to much into them, what do they really mean anyways???

So many emerging countries in football now, such as Mexico, Iran, Japan...and of course the African nations.

I agree with the rankingd don't mean much but its mice to see the world taking notice of the US but in the end it really doesn't matter. As for wjat you say about talent Jager you may be right but it just because a team has more talent it doesn't make them a better team. Some players are great at the club level but are subpar at the national level. Take Claudio Reyna for example, I would take him at the National team level over many of his counterparts who a star player in club football.

[Jager]

Originally Posted by Jager

I actually think other than gauranteeing WC places, it could be a detriment to play in the concacaf zone with so many weak sisters.
Holland, England, Italy, Czech Rep, Spain, France, Brasil and Argentina ...hmm. I would have to think about this.

Sweden, Greece, Turkey, Portugal......I think these teams have more talent than the US, and I think just because they haven't done well in tournaments, doesn't mean they should be considered qaulity sides. Though they didn't qaulify for the Euro, I still consider them on the way up. If they ever get a good coach, look out.

I think the Americans are very well organized, and have a qaulity coach.

In the end I think rankings are rubbish. Don't look to much into them, what do they really mean anyways???

So many emerging countries in football now, such as Mexico, Iran, Japan...and of course the African nations.

That should be..."they shouldn't be considered qaulity sides".

[Jager]

Originally Posted by Ch33kY

USA can suck my balls.

Just goes to show how far FIFA have their heads up their arse.

Imagine the consiquences if all international and club level teams boycott the FIFA system.

What purpose would that serve? You still need an organization to run everything. As long as you have thousands of individual bodies trying to get things their own way, you'll have disagreements.

Fifa oversees not only countries, but clubs also. As far as organizations go, they are not great, but they have done an alright job.

[Frank Cunha]

congratulations to the USA, at these moment they going to play Honduras for the semi-finals of the goldcup

[Frank Cunha]

http://www.nwanews.com/story.php?pap...storyid=123529

the most important aspect of the write up, that the kids the use to play and left the game are still with it. letting there kids have fun and still following special the Premier teams

[usamu]

HARTFORD, Connecticut -- United States coach Bruce Arena named a 26-man squad on Wednesday for CONCACAF World Cup qualifiers against Mexico and Guatemala.

The Americans meet Mexico in Columbus, Ohio, on September 3 and face a trip to Guatemala four days later.

The U.S. are second in the six-nation group with 15 points from six games and can clinch a place in their fifth straight finals with a win this weekend against its arch-rival.

Mexico have 16 points and need only a draw to book their place in Germany.

Arena called in additional players from Major League Soccer in the event the U.S. qualify this weekend as he would opt to take a predominately domestic-based squad to Guatemala City for the midweek clash.

There were no surprises but key players DaMarcus Beasley, Pablo Mastroeni and Frankie Hejduk, who were not included in the side that defeated Trinidad and Tobago last month, return following injury or suspension.

Squad:

Goalkeepers: Marcus Hahnemann (Reading FC), Kasey Keller (Borussia Moenchengladbach), Matt Reis (New England Revolution)

Defenders: Chris Albright (Los Angeles Galaxy), Gregg Berhalter (Energie Cottbus), Carlos Bocanegra (Fulham FC), Jimmy Conrad (Kansas City Wizards),

Frankie Hejduk (Columbus Crew), Chad Marshall (Columbus Crew), Oguchi Onyewu (Standard de Liege), Greg Vanney (FC Dallas)

Midfielders: Chris Armas (Chicago Fire), DaMarcus Beasley (PSV Eindhoven), Bobby Convey (Reading FC), Clint Dempsey (New England Revolution), Eddie Lewis (Leeds United), Justin Mapp (Chicago Fire), Pablo Mastroeni (Colorado Rapids), Santino Quaranta (D.C. United), Steve Ralston (New England Revolution), Claudio Reyna (Manchester City).

Forwards: Jeff Cunningham (Colorado Rapids), Landon Donovan (Los Angeles Galaxy), Eddie Johnson (FC Dallas), Brian McBride (Fulham FC), Taylor Twellman (New England Revolution)

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...341267&cc=5901

How do Armas and Quaranta continue to get call ups? Good to see EJ and Beasley back.