Juande Ramos' future... - TalkSoccer

**Trim** · 29-09-2008, 10:28 PM

Will Juande Ramos still be in charge of Tottenham at the end of the season?

**Dellas** · 29-09-2008, 10:47 PM

I think he will, it would be foolish imo to fire him now as it would bring more instability to the team and it would be a repeat of last season pretty much.

There are a few things that I disagree with him about but there is no doubting he is a class manager.

I personally don't rate Pavlyuchenko and Bent. Bent was never that great imo he may work hard but he isn't the best of finishers. Pavlyuchenko on the other hand needs too many chances to score just one goal. Also would start playing Dos Santos he looks quality and I think he would definitely help their attack. Also rotating too many players is really your own downfall.

Any way their biggest loss imo is Keane and Berbs...they should have kept either one or even Defoe.

NJ10 · 29-09-2008, 11:09 PM

I think he had no option but to sell Berbatov & Keane, but his replacements are not up to scratch. Pavlyuchenko I thought at the Euros was willing but not particularly good, I would be surprised if he got 15 goals this season, whereas Bent has lost any of the composure and quality he showed at Charlton. His confidence looks shot. I dont like Defoe in the slightest, but at least he plays with a confidence and looks like he can get a goal when he plays. Bent looks shot to pieces whenever he plays.

But they werent the only sales in the summer. He let Malbranque go to Sunderland, which surprised me as I thought he provided them with a great option last season. He is a clever player, good feet, gets a few goals and proven in the Premier League. Letting him go might have been necessary from a financial point of view, but it seems a poor football decision to me. Bentley cost way way too much as a replacement too btw considering Malbranque could play on either flank.

In addition to this, he rightly identified Paul Robinson as a weak link and managed to offload him, but then ballsed up his replacement by signing Heurelho Gomes, who for me is not a significant enough improvement between the sticks. Athletic yes, trustworthy no. I think this is the worst of Spurs' summer business.

I do think it would be soft to let him go after the high profile pursuit last year, and I think he has still got enough of a team to get into Europe, and maybe a cup run, but isnt that what Martin Jol was doing anyway?

hk_on99 · 30-09-2008, 07:13 AM

Too many new players and a bunch who hadn't experienced the EPL before the start of the season. Ramos to be sacked before they gel.

**Dellas** · 30-09-2008, 10:59 AM

Sky Sports | Football | Premier League | News | Venables blames Berbatov

Venables kinda has a point. Berbatov should have played for Spurs to begin with even if the transfer was going to go through, it is only professional to commit to the team you are playing for at the present.

At the same time Spurs made a mistake by selling their best 2 strikers and only getting 1 okish replacement...they clearly didn't think it through.

As for Gomes, he looks pretty weak, he never seems to catch a ball from a corner even if he can [look at the Villa game] and he seems to near always fluff the save somehow. He doesn't look convincing at all imo.

Surely if they get rid of Ramos it will be a repeat of last year? Jol left maybe a bit later than this I think and look what happened. Getting rid of him is a bad choice imo. He needs to stop rotating and play his strongest 11 in the next game otherwise he really will be under pressure.

Bentley isn't the same player he was at Blackburn for some reason...which doesn't really help the manager. And Modric has had no impact what so ever as well.

Imo he should play next match [if the players are available]:

........................Gomes................
.Corluka....Dawson....Woodgate.....Bale..
.Lennon......Zokora......Jenas........Dos Santos..
..................Bent......Pavlyuchenko......

I assume King is injured and Bentley + Modric just aren't cutting it atm.

hk_on99 · 01-10-2008, 04:53 PM

I disagree, I don't think it was Berbatov's fault at all. If their team can be affected by one sulking player, then I question the mental strength of Tottenham. The poor start to the season is completely the fault of Ramos and whoever is in charge of player recruitment. Ramos had all pre-season to settle on a formation and play it on a consistent basis. We're a month into the season and he still hasn't decided. They also made the error of signing too many new players in such short space of time. Pavlyuchenko was signed much too late to settle into the squad, adapt to the EPL, and make a good start to the season. Keane was sold before a replacement was brought in.

Tottenham didn't prepare well enough in pre-season and that's showing at the moment.

**Dellas** · 01-10-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hk_on99

I disagree, I don't think it was Berbatov's fault at all. If their team can be affected by one sulking player, then I question the mental strength of Tottenham. The poor start to the season is completely the fault of Ramos and whoever is in charge of player recruitment. Ramos had all pre-season to settle on a formation and play it on a consistent basis. We're a month into the season and he still hasn't decided. They also made the error of signing too many new players in such short space of time. Pavlyuchenko was signed much too late to settle into the squad, adapt to the EPL, and make a good start to the season. Keane was sold before a replacement was brought in.

Tottenham didn't prepare well enough in pre-season and that's showing at the moment.

I understand what you are saying but it is like Didier when he is in top form saying I don't want to play and Anelka having to play instead we just aren't as powerful upfront if Drogba ain't playing. Just like replacing Berbatov with Bent...no comparison really

Berbatov was still a Spurs player, the fact that Utd where interested in him means nothing, he had a contract with Spurs and if he was fit to play he should have. He would have added another dimension to their attack and then they would have had another attacking option on the bench in Bent. Spurs imo wouldn't be in this mess if Berbatov had played for them in the games before he moved to Utd.

hk_on99 · 01-10-2008, 05:51 PM

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I understand what you are saying but it is like Didier when he is in top form saying I don't want to play and Anelka having to play instead we just aren't as powerful upfront if Drogba ain't playing. Just like replacing Berbatov with Bent...no comparison really

Berbatov was still a Spurs player, the fact that Utd where interested in him means nothing, he had a contract with Spurs and if he was fit to play he should have. He would have added another dimension to their attack and then they would have had another attacking option on the bench in Bent. Spurs imo wouldn't be in this mess if Berbatov had played for them in the games before he moved to Utd.

I disagree. I think Berbatov was distracted and probably couldn't give 100%. He was also a player on the verge of departing. Sure, if he gave 100%, he might have added another dimension to their attack, but Ramos and the Spurs had to move on. Berbatov wasn't going to be their player for much longer, so it is better to cement a system that centred around Bent and the other players.

**bandini** · 02-10-2008, 05:36 PM

it's a big concern that we aren't scoring goals right now. Winning leads to more wins and losing unfortunately becomes a bad habit which we're prone to right now. I think the biggest issue is that the front line needs to really start banging in the goals. Our defence is no worse than it was the last few seasons imo and we're still getting new players used to the system, but scoring goals is the issue. I'm sure Ramos is focusing on this like crazy and once he sorts it out then we'll be winning games. It sounds stupid, but that's really the big issue and I have faith he'll get it going.

**DavidMc** · 02-10-2008, 06:34 PM

Give him time, he will turn it around. Still missing a couple of players but Spurs have some great players.

Im sure Ramos is the man for the job.

**Oliver_Kahn** · 03-10-2008, 08:53 PM

on a side note, over a year has passed and Ramos still can't speak english??

I mean, he always sends Poyet to the press conferences, which makes me believe that Ramos isn't comfortable with the english language yet and that is rather strange if you ask me...

**bandini** · 07-10-2008, 07:02 PM

It's a very good point. The language barrier can be an issue although we have so many foreigners on the team anyway.

I'm telling you though this is getting really painful to watch. I mean we are losing every single game, it's pathetic. We just can't score goals. That used to be our strength. It wasn't long ago that Berbs and Keane were one of the most feared partnerships in the Prem and now we are a joke. I'm starting to think it may be my fault for supporting them. Maybe if I change to Man United then Spurs will start winning

**DavidMc** · 07-10-2008, 07:45 PM

Tough time for you guys. I really thought you would beat Hull at the weekend. The next game is massive for Ramos.

What are the feelings of the Spurs fans at the moment? Do they want him to go?

RunX · 11-10-2008, 06:29 PM

Strange! I dont know what happen to tottenham, A team that spend over 50 Million in new good players.. and they are in the last rank in the Leauge.. !

I think that the problem with the players, Ramos is a good coach, The team made a huge mistakes by selling Berbatov and Keane... They were the stars of the team, I think that Modric and Pavlyuchnko need time to fit well in the Premier Leauge, I Belive that Spurs will up and will win next matches ....

**Dellas** · 19-10-2008, 11:55 PM

BBC SPORT | Football | Premier League | Stoke 2-1 Tottenham

Another loss for Juande and Spurs...nothing seems to be going their way...I don't know what to say I'm actually shocked that they lost to both Hull and Stoke...

Losing both Keane and Berbatov for me was too big for them to handle, I mean both left in the same season and tbf Pavlyuchenko and Bent just aren't gd enough replacements...they are a big step down from Keane, Berbs and even Defoe...Something needs to be done soon or Juande will lost his job.