Euro Qualifier: Scotland v Italy - 17th Nov 07

[Jager]

Originally Posted by kenny hoggan

Are you including the two world cups in the 1930s? Some of that was more than a bit dubious. You'll remember Mussolini - his involvement was shameful and completely devalued those wins.

The big problem with Italian football is that they have some truly great players ,Toni just now, but they never let the beautiful game flow. They're too interested in being negative and will do anyting to win, hence the corruption and bribery scandals.

That's why they'll never be held in the same regard as the likes of Brazil who are always considered true champions!

Geez, how long did it take you come up with this?

Boring? Italy was all over you in the first half. I'm not interested in entertaining you lot. My goal is too win. As for the game itself, it was very well played, and very entertaining. You pinned us down, you should be very proud.

Now for your awful and ignorant comments about my country and calcio.

Italy is in the last two years, including the world cup has beaten France, Germany, Holland, Ukraine, Ghana, Portugal and Spain....the latter two friendlies..but still.

In terms of Calcio being in downfall or what, I've been hearing this non sense for the better part of thirty years. People get fustrated because their teams can't score on us, and they retort to the standard comments, such as negative football and such.

This coming from a fan of Scotland, a team which beat France in France and never ventured out of their own end...LITERALLY for the rest of the game after getting the lead. That IS what I call negative football. I didn't hear the french complain much, you stole one, good for you.

Now I won't hold that against them. Scotland can't compare with France or Italy in terms of skill or depth.

Today, a draw would of been the right result, however even that would not of been enough I feel.

In the end I rather much see Scotland, than France. But that is how it ends.

I keep on hearing stole the game?? If Italy didn't score, it would of been a draw!?!?! Unless your suggesting even then Italy shouldn't of drawn?

For the ones that actually want to have a discussion, without the insults, as I consider many of my scottish buddies here friends.....here are the stats.

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Scotland    Italy
Shots (on Goal)    13(7)    17(10)
Fouls    27    18
Corner Kicks    6    4
Offsides    4    3
Time of Possession    50%    50%
Yellow Cards    2    1
Red Cards    0    0
Saves    9    4 


From these stats, and what I do know.

Italy scored three times.

Scotland scored once.

One good Italian goal disallowed.

One Italian goal scored on a bad call..........so that evens out.


First Italian goal, no probs.

Only Scottish goal offside.

So that leaves a goal difference of 2-0.

Just my take........as for the bad officiating, it was a Spanish referee, no look no further than that. They are notorious for shit calls.


But I say again, looking at what I pointed out, where is this Scottish victory that was robbed??????????????????????????

You can argue for a draw, but not a win.


As I know my Scottish mates will respond nicely, I don't have no problem. This is directed towards you Kenny, if you can't post nicely without insults, then don't bother. Thanks!

[DavidMc]

Losing the early goal was the worst possible thing that could have happened to us. We settled down a bit and created some good chances. Possible penalty call denied.

But at the end of the day, we have to remember we have done well to even have had a chance of qualifying with Italy, France and Ukraine in the same group.

We can take many good points from this campaign. We are starting to build a settled team. We have introduced many young players who will be internationals for years to come (Hutton, Brown etc) This is certainly the best Scottish team I have seen for many years.

You can always say that we would have qualified from another group but thats another story.

Unfortunately we are out of this now but this will have prepared us for future campaigns.

The team have done well and have put the Scottish National team back on the map.

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[Doc-Bhoy]

Jager, we were robbed of a draw - not a win as you seem to think. That draw could have meant qualification for the Euro 2008, we havent been in a major championship since France 98 so what do you expect? you want all scots just to sit back and take the decision as a poor call from the ref and move on, forget about it - our performance in this group shows that we deserved a place in the finals.

This coming from a fan of Scotland, a team which beat France in France and never ventured out of their own end...LITERALLY for the rest of the game after getting the lead. That IS what I call negative football. I didn't hear the french complain much, you stole one, good for you.

Sorry but there is a difference between defending a win and defending a draw, the latter is what Italy were doing yesterday. What i mean is the WC settling for a draw is the negative football we talk about.

As I know my Scottish mates will respond nicely, I don't have no problem. This is directed towards you Kenny, if you can't post nicely without insults, then don't bother. Thanks!

Take a look back at the full thread, you'll notice that it was me who started the insult ( time-wasting etc.) and then your Italian mate Azzuri started shit-strirring, Kenny was merely backing me up.

[LAF]

Offside calls, the margin is so small, that's why the linesmen get so much wrong, looking at Di Natales goal it was onsde (the linesman was pish). But you can't doubt that the last call that won you the game was one of the worst calls you've ever seen, the REF was favouring you guys all game. Surely you are not that blind boys?

Anyway lets not turn this into a thread full of stereotypes.

Oh and Jager I've seen different stats mate, so who knows.

Anyway congrats Italy. It looks like another tourney of cheering on you again.

[D-Kin]

Originally Posted by LAF

But you can't doubt that the last call that won you the game was one of the worst calls you've ever seen

True, but at the end of the day you failed to defend the freekick properly and for that you deserved to conceed the goal.

[LAF]

Yes but we shouldn't have had to deal with it.

That's is why we are bitter.

[kenny hoggan]

This is directed towards you Kenny, if you can't post nicely without insults, then don't bother. Thanks!

i can post without insults, just that insults were called for on this occasion

[kenny hoggan]

This coming from a fan of Scotland, a team which beat France in France and never ventured out of their own end...LITERALLY for the rest of the game after getting the lead. That IS what I call negative football. I didn't hear the french complain much, you stole one, good for you.

jager, the last thing scotland would have wanted to do was sit back and let france do what they do best, attack, we tried to play football but didnt have the class to do so.

therefore we defended everything france threw at us, because when we did try and play we just made ourselves tired and couldn notkeep the ball for long periods of time.

we were not able to match the skill of the french football, but we managed to hold onto the game.

[c.ronaldo#1]

Originally Posted by LAF

Offside calls, the margin is so small, that's why the linesmen get so much wrong, looking at Di Natales goal it was onsde (the linesman was pish). But you can't doubt that the last call that won you the game was one of the worst calls you've ever seen, the REF was favouring you guys all game. Surely you are not that blind boys?

Small margin or big margin they got them both wrong. It cost Italy a goal and it gave Scotland a goal that shouldn't have been.

You can tell the difference between 0-2 and 1-1 right. That was a 2 goal swing that could have cost Italy there deserved qualification.

Scotland were fouling all game. Thats why they had so many free kicks. The refs got 3 things wrong. The goal you scored, the goal Italy scored that didn't count and the free kick at the end that was a foul on the Scotland player.

[c.ronaldo#1]

Originally Posted by Doc-Bhoy

Jager, we were robbed of a draw - not a win as you seem to think. That draw could have meant qualification for the Euro 2008, we havent been in a major championship since France 98 so what do you expect? you want all scots just to sit back and take the decision as a poor call from the ref and move on, forget about it - our performance in this group shows that we deserved a place in the finals.

How was you robbed of a draw. Italy was robbed of a goal and you got a goal that shouldn't have stood.

Instead of it being 0-2 and game over it was 1-1 and you had a chance of qualifying. If anybody was robbed in this game it was Italy.

[NJ10]

I think Scottish fans should be proud of their side. They were in arguably the toughest qualification group, with three WC quarter finalists in it, and in the end they pushed both WC finalists all the way. Indeed they really gave Italy a good game in the second half and might even have had the lead before the end. I thought Ferguson was magnificent in midfield with Hartley, Hutton had a very good game, McFadden was terrible though, he wasted a superb chance on his right foot where he had to square it but tried to lash it in and missed. The decisions can be debated all day long, but for Scotland fans, it should be about what a pretty average bunch of players have achieved.

Toni was too good for Weir & McManus yesterday, no doubt about that. Who will replace Weir for the next qualifying campaign? Russell Anderson?

[Doc-Bhoy]

I think Scottish fans should be proud of their side.

We are very proud of our team because we never expected to do as well as we did, the full scottish team should be proud of every performance in the qualifing.

what a pretty average bunch of players have achieved.

Sorry, average players dont beat France home and away. Your wrong, I would have loved to have seen England in this group because i very much doubt they would have done as well as we did.

c.ronaldo - we heard your comment the first time, no need to repeat it again.Now away and kiss the israeli players arses for saving your sorry team.

[kenny hoggan]

average bunch of players have achieved.

we maybe started as an average bunch of players, but we are now a good punch of players that can play together.

where other countires like england have good talent, but are useless at putting a team performance together.

no use having the best players in the world and not being able to play together.

[DavidMc]

Wouldnt say 'average' team. The players in this team are well experienced and can play at this level.

As they have proved time and time again.