Who REALLY killed Jesus ?

[Mr Brightside]

Who was responsible for putting Jesus Christ on the cross for crucifixion ?

Pontius Pilate (Pontivs Pilatvs) ?

Or the Jews ?

Did Pontius Pilate really ask the assembled Jews to pick between Barabbas and Jesus ? Not the norm for a Roman Ruler.

Did he evade executing Jesus because of what his wife told him she had seen in a dream ?

Why do the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John blame Jesus' execution on the word of the Jews assembled that day ? Why did they protect Pilate's name ? Pilate, a gruesome and ferocious Roman Ruler who killed his way to the top of the Roman Empire ?

Did Pilate really wash his hands ? Matthew said he did, but Mark, Luke and John didn't (apparently).

The crucifixion of Jesus, why and how it was done is the world's greatest mystery.

Your views ?

[z187]

I really havent looked at this issue in detail but ill set some basic facts out there

in my opinion both could be blamed, but according to the religion jesus was destined to be crucified anyways so I dont think it really matters where the blame goes.

1. christians jews and romans were all rivals

romans had their own pagan religion and were rivals with jews

many jews had a rivalry with jesus who they saw as a threat to their religion as he was jewish himself and was proclaimed as the messiah and was gathering followers.

Christianity only spread to europe long after Jesus' death, when the roman emperor constantinople decreed that all romans will convert to christianity this took place I think around 460 AD or something like that.

there was alot of rivalry between the 3 parties... im not sure who killed him im not aware of the details but apparently he was destined to die anyways.

[jec1]

Great thread! People liked to believe Pontius Pilate was involved but I think was something more to it. Its one of those unsolved mysteries.

[Mr Brightside]

Originally Posted by jec1

Great thread! People liked to believe Pontius Pilate was involved but I think was something more to it. Its one of those unsolved mysteries.

There's talk that Pilate was so wary of Jesus' crucifixion that he almost committed suicide.

If Pilate washed his hands, were the Jews responsible ?

And was St John The Baptist the REAL Christ..................?

[Mr Brightside]

I thought this thread would have encaptured more discussion. Obviously not.

Why some of you lot are Christian and how that came about is obviously unimportant to you.

Do you believe in a fake God ? I think so..........

[Garzilla]

Originally Posted by Mr Brightside

Why some of you lot are Christian and how that came about is obviously unimportant to you.
Do you believe in a fake God ? I think so..........

Or its obvious that some of us lot have better things to do than discuss it on a soccer forum with you. Especially with your track record of "Facts" you present.

[Vargas_4]

Originally Posted by Mr Brightside

I thought this thread would have encaptured more discussion. Obviously not.

Why some of you lot are Christian and how that came about is obviously unimportant to you.

Do you believe in a fake God ? I think so..........

I ain't a Christian or anything.

No interest in talking about this.

[unitedfan]

Who killed Christ? Basically, the Apostles want you to interpret that it was the Jews who put Jesus to death. That's most probably because it would fit in more with Old Testament scriptures, which foreshadow that Jesus would be hated by his own people. Therefore it would make sense to distance Pilate from responsibility - he was not one of Jesus' own people.

[jec1]

Originally Posted by Mr Brightside

Do you believe in a fake God ? I think so..........

Are you one of those hardcore atheists who preach on how there is "NO" god..... People can believe want they want but I've noticed a lot of agnostic people always come up with the same facts, lack of evidence. Its conjecturable! It's hard to convince those people because either their brains have not physically matured or can't understand the abstract conceptual idea that there is a Devil or God.

I wasn't forced to believe in "GOD." Like I said, something happened in my life that made me a believer. It was incredible! Do you believe in second chances? Given that opportunity, many of my friends have had the same luck. Quite frankly I'm sick of it.

How do you know he existed?

The bible is fake. How could you live your life by a book?

Life is a puzzle..... Find your way through the terrains, immerse yourself in your own beliefs, and don't let anyone immure you from your will.

[G-R87]

Originally Posted by Mr Brightside

I thought this thread would have encaptured more discussion. Obviously not.

Why some of you lot are Christian and how that came about is obviously unimportant to you.

Do you believe in a fake God ? I think so..........

I have little time be on this website because I HAVE A LIFE AS WELL....ive just read the post and joined this discussion...but whats there too discuss? u ask these questions as tho anyone has an answer....no one knows. End of.

If we KNEW what happened then there would be no such thing as FAITH....when u believe in God and the devine, u show faith which is why u are rewarded with access to heaven. If we KNEW everything about everything then what would be the point?

In terms of ATHEISTs arguing its nonsense, then explain miracles. They happen whether u want to admit it or not. No matter on what scale, miracles occur. I have experienced one myself. There is no explanation for many devine occurances which is what makes them devine in the first place.

I believe in God. I also believ in a lot of what the bible says...and i dont think its fair to assume that Christians see the Bible as absolute facts and evidence becuase i personally dont...i think much of it (especially the old testiment) about the moral message and what we can learn from the stories told in order to achieve peace.

In terms of 'fake God' i think uve made a very grand statement and youve shown NO evidence to back it up. Very weak arguement here. Of course there is no evidence of gods existance...links back to the whole concept of Faith....which is the BEDROCK of christianity incase u didnt know...No One can either prove of disprove Gods existance and that my friend is fact. Its up to the individual to decide...i have Faith.

in terms of this particular topic, i personally believe that Jesus was persecuted by his public...he was shown to be a King and then betrayed by his people ...he died to save mankinds sins....in order to DIE he had to have the people against him...he knew this would happen....if u read the New Testiment Jesus is told that he will die for the sake of mankind (Gethsemane) ...so therefore this fate wouldnt have been fulfilled had he been mr. popular! lol....which leads me to Judas.

Judas is an infamous figure of betrayal. Take football for example, whenever a player joins his rival team he is often called Judas. Judas is a term we use to day to suggest that someone is disloyal and a renegade. However, this could not be further from the truth. Judas had to betray jesus in order for Jesus to die, and save our sins. Judas will be in HEAVEN now as he fulfilled his godly purpose...this misunderstanding of his role is very common. Judas is no villian...he is the EXACT opposite to betrayal...he followed his god given purpose to perfection!

Its a knock on effect. Had Judas not completed his role the people wouldnt have turned against which means he would not have been crucified which means he would not have been able so save our sins and we wouldnt be able to go to heaven. simple as. Who killed jesus? doesnt matter , because in doing so they have contributed to the single most significant act in history. We should thank the people/person responsible because if they hadnt, we wudnt be able to go to heaven.

To conclude and give my own 'answer' to this question 'Who REALLY killed jesus?' i will say this....it wasnt one party who was responsible...so we dont know. Quite frankly we dont need to know because thats not the important message...Pilot or the Jews? who cares!... either way they will be getting a pint from me if i go to heaven thats for sure!

[sinoy1]

Originally Posted by jec1

Are you one of those hardcore atheists who preach on how there is "NO" god..... People can believe want they want but I've noticed a lot of agnostic people always come up with the same facts, lack of evidence. Its conjecturable! It's hard to convince those people because either their brains have not physically matured or can't understand the abstract conceptual idea that there is a Devil or God.

I wasn't forced to believe in "GOD." Like I said, something happened in my life that made me a believer. It was incredible! Do you believe in second chances? Given that opportunity, many of my friends have had the same luck. Quite frankly I'm sick of it.

How do you know he existed?

The bible is fake. How could you live your life by a book?

Life is a puzzle..... Find your way through the terrains, immerse yourself in your own beliefs, and don't let anyone immure you from your will.

Wtf...are you talking about on this site?Agnosticism and atheism are different as you know.

Im some quasi-agnostic but still believe in God but what I focus on is doing the good deeds in this life right now.If you are a good person and if you do good things then surely that is enough for God isnt it?After all he is all understanding merciful and loving.

Yes God has a higher plan.But at the same time if we look at the Buddha or Jesus or Prophet Mohamed they all seemed to be at a higher level of human understanding.Ghandi as well.They all preached about this life and doing good in our time here.Its not about memorizing (as blasphemous as that sounds to some) or literally taking scriptures that are deemed to be "holy" and interpretting them to be real.Its about how you lead and live your life.

Ofcourse this is my opinion.

[unitedfan]

Judas is an infamous figure of betrayal. Take football for example, whenever a player joins his rival team he is often called Judas. Judas is a term we use to day to suggest that someone is disloyal and a renegade. However, this could not be further from the truth. Judas had to betray jesus in order for Jesus to die, and save our sins. Judas will be in HEAVEN now as he fulfilled his godly purpose...this misunderstanding of his role is very common. Judas is no villian...he is the EXACT opposite to betrayal...he followed his god given purpose to perfection!

Its a knock on effect. Had Judas not completed his role the people wouldnt have turned against which means he would not have been crucified which means he would not have been able so save our sins and we wouldnt be able to go to heaven. simple as. Who killed jesus? doesnt matter , because in doing so they have contributed to the single most significant act in history. We should thank the people/person responsible because if they hadnt, we wudnt be able to go to heaven.

Sorry, but I've got to be technical here. Any theologian (or anyone who's managed to sit through a conversation with one and still remain attentive) will tell you that Judas is most certainly in Hell. The view is that he sinned by betraying Christ, but God would have accepted his repentance had he just confessed and apologised and all of that. However, Judas did not repent, he hanged himself. Which is an ultimate sin that, naturally, you can't clear up at confession later on (without doing a Jesus). So yeah, Judas is in hell, if you believe in Hell, Heaven and the Gospels.

You cannot possibly base your faith and whatnot on the bible. This is due to a major point which I'm baffled as to why it's not well-known. The bible consists of 5 Gospels; there were at least around 80. So who chose the Gospels that would constitute to a holy book?

The Roman Emperor Constantine, who had no interest in worshipping any Gods. He was raised believing in Roman Gods and never really believed in any God, nevermind Jesus. He chose the 5 Gospels by which a fairly large number of people now live their lives. Religion was used by Constantine as nothing more than a political tool to hold the Roman Empire together for another few years. So for anyone to accept the bible as "law" is frankly ridiculous. In those pages, you have 5/80 of the Christian story. Fair enough, the general gist probably doesn't differ too much, however the details (some very important) and some of the life-lessons do vary quite a bit.

[RunX]

The Romanians! Horudos and Belatus.