US okayed mass murder in Korean War

[Vargas_4]

we are the best country in the world

POR FAVOR

JA

Does it make you the best country only because you go and support an American to go to another country, claim himself as president and try to take over all 5 Central American countries?

"Five or none" -William Walker

Does it make you the best to go and fuck and intervene TWICE (1909-1930's) in a country only cause they won't let you build a canal in their own soil and let you claim it their own? or... when that country reaches an agreement to someone else who is willing to give the money and build a partnership, where the country with the canal can operate it?... But no..... You had to go and threaten the president at the time... And when he left, you easily intervened...

La carta Knox or The Knox Letter

Does it make you great for you during that invervention to fucking BOMB innocent women and children? For you to come and rape the women? Huh??? Does it make you feel fucking superior to know that??? Answer me!!!!

Does it fucking make you great to support a dictator who keeps on your "tradition", since your so beloved marines trained the Guardias to keep up your good work of oppression ?? You letting the dictator to come and steal everything he wanted and getting away with it?? Ohh... what happened to the "good guys", huh???

"He's a son of a bitch. But he's our son of a bitch" Roosevelt on Anastasio Somoza, Dictator of Nicaragua for more than 50 years.

Does it make special or great to economicaly block a country, not letting it buy nor sell anything... and on top of that, you go ahead and take all the ex-Guardias... Train them in Honduras... So they can wage war against us... Which pretty much leaves us FUCKED... Destroying a country in the inside, letting the people starve....

Does it make you great to manipulate the 1990s elections... So that Violeta Chamorro could win... by buying all the little political parties into a bigger one... Oh... and why WOULD the GOOD GUYS or the GREATEST COUNTRY AROUND... manipulate an election?

Oh... maybe because we sued your ass in the International Court of La Habana... and won! And we were going to squeeze and demand every fucking cent that was going to economicaly re-start us and be able to cover all the blood-shed that happened due to your "good wills".

But how strange... that the person you supported... Didn't ask for the money and "let it go"... Wow... i mean, we had to do it... since "you're the greatest country in earth".

How bout your famous CAFTA? Where you just charmed the right political party into convincing us that we couldn't survive if we didn't get into Globalization... But of course... In the agreement... you go for your Interests ONLY... 'cause that's what United States does... Go for their INTERESTS... where us, being a poor-war-torn country, had no choice but to accept the crumbs that are thrown at us to fucking make the day with at least 1 meal...

SO DON'T GO AND FUCKING SAY YOUR COUNTRY IS THE BEST....

[Vargas_4]

And hey. That's just what you've done to us.

I bet if the forum was truly filled with people all over the world... you'd be getting your ass nailed for your

"we are the best country in the world " bullshit

[sinoy1]

I see you're from Nicaragua Vargas.What the States did to them as well is totally unjust,like to many other countries, so I understand your resentment.

But the statement LVS is USA Condoned or Okayed Mass Murder not whether or not its the best Nation in the world .

[Jager]

Originally Posted by LaVecchiaSignora

Name one other country that has a representation of citizen from just about EVERY other country in the world....If its not the best then why would people from all over the world come here to live out their dreams...

Canada, Britain, Australia, Germany, France. As to why they want to come there? People want to go to the western democracies. The US being one of them.

Also best in terms of quality of life, not necesarily the most beautiful place to leave...but it is great land..we have deserts and tropical places and temperate forests and all different types of climates...

If your talking about geography or land mass, well most certainly the US is right up there. However Canada, Australia, Europe all offer different geographical locals. Some would say that Americans flock to leave their own country to visit these countries.

Now you bring up a key thing, qaulity of life. This might be news to you, but if your really concerned about qaulity of life, then America IS not what it once was. Actually, there is a survey, and I can't remember where I read it or found it, but America actually rates very low in terms of health care compared to most Western European countries.

How about education? Well this is not very good either. Americans are far behind the Japanese, Germans, Italians and even your northern neighbours.

How about stability of government? Well this is another one that doesn't look good. The American system of government is probably the most UNdemocratic form of democracy in the free world. In Canada, the UK, Germany, Australia, even corrupt Italy....the person in charge has to face a question period in parliament. In America, the President has a free ride to do what he wants, when he wants, regardless what congress or the people want. Absolute power. In the countries I mentioned, that IS not the case. Considering your recent history, this most definitely not a good thing. The President NEVER has to answer any questions, he just tells it like it is. Seeing how Bush has gone, I'm sure you see the flaw in this?

The other thing is personal and government debt. Bush and his buddies have basically screwed the US for years to come. And most of that debt is owned by your biggest rival, China. To me, this is not a very good thing. However the American government has done a smash up job keeping this from its people. To me, the American economy is deathly ill.

Special interests control the government and its agenda in most, if not all countries, however in the US its almost laughable at the amount of it.

But i was mainly refering to quality of life, and world power, and opportunities and freedoms given to its citizens...

Would if make you feel better if i say ONE OF?

All those things you mention are available in a lot of countries, not just the US.

And yes it would make me feel better. However that standing is in serious question, and the fact that you don't question the way your government is ruining your country is extremely troublesome.

[LaVecchiaSignora]

I did question it...did you not read the part of my post that says i hate my government...i think they are a joke..

The part of this thread im getting mat at is that vargas and others are bashing american citizens for the crimes of our goverenment/military, both present and past.

I dont agree with the things weve done, or we are doing, or that we are going to do...

But to say that "the americans" were okay with the mass murder in Korea or anywhere else is fuckin bullshit...Im not ok with it and 99% of the citizens of this country are not ok with it. Thats what im trying to say here.

Americans like to visit eruope because of the histroy, and because a very big portion of us have european heratige.

Health care here is great, as long as your not poor...if your poor your fucked, but its sure as hell of a lot better then canada...I live in detroit right near windsor and have lots of canadian friends...

Many kids might not do as well on standardized test as they do in some countries, because thats not what we do here, we are not taught to take tests, and our grades arent determined by tests as much as they are class work, so we dont focus on that here...in some countries i know they only focus on tests...they take the whole semester without tests, and then the whole grade is determined by a final...its not like that here.

And thats high school/grade school kids...Our colleges and Universities are amoung the best in the world, and are taught by some of the smartest people in the world, including those who IMMAGRATE here to live and teach..

I dont like the fact that the president can run for office and promise many things and then never follow up on them..I think the goverment needs major retooling...the president promises tons of stuff...gets elected, and then puts all his friends in congress who will vote and agree on anything he says and wants to do...I def agree that the president has way to much power here and way to much free reign, but what am i suppose to do about it....RUN FOR PRESIDENT?...i dont like it either, but dont come here and bash me and my countryment because a couple dumb fuckin presidents let the power go to their head.....we as citizens have shit as say...we can vote...but who really elects the president? The electoral college who is suppose to vote base on the states decisions, but they dont always...the government here is shit..theres no denying that and im not trying to and never have...but you are all making this attacks on the citizens, like we were the ones who went to korea and bomed them and then watched its a wonderful life on tv.....

Canada has universal health care, which sounds great, because everyone gets it but the hospitals and patient care there are a joke...You sit in hospitals for hours just waiting to get in to see someone...perscriptions are expensive...alot of people i know come here to get them..

My moms friend would have sat in a canadian hospital with mediocare doctors and died from cancer...instead he crosses the boarder every day to come to a good hospital and recieve treatment to fight his cancer....

Plus hey i mean if you want me to dig, im sure i can go and find tons of litterature on your guys's countries that shows them at war, killing thousands and all different types of shit to...you all act like your countries are so innocent, but theyve probobly all been in similar...maybe smaller or less frequent but similar problems in their history.

AGAIN I DONT SUPPORT MASS MURDERING OF ANY KIND...OR ANY MURDERING FOR THAT MATTER...BUT YOU CANT HONESTLY BELIEVE THE USA IS THE ONLY COUNTRY WHO HAS THESE TYPES OF THINGS GOING ON NOW OR 50 YEARS AGO OR HUNDERDS OF YEARS AGO...MAYBE WE ARE IN THE SPOT LIGHT, BECAUSE LIKE IN HIGH SCHOOL EVERYONE HATES THE POPULAR GUY FOR SOMETHING...AND ALL THE SMALLER COUNTRIES HAVE TO HATE ON US...IDK THE REASON...BUT YOU CANT HONESTLY SIT HERE AND TELL ME THAT THE USA IS ONE OF THE MOST DESIRED PLACES TO LIVE IN THE WORLD....I KNOW THATS NOT THE TOPIC IN THIS THREAD, BUT THATS WHAT IT HAS TURNED INTO...YOU GUYS BASHING AMERICA AND ME DEFENDING IT..

Would you expect me to do anything less? If i came on here saying nicaragua sucked, or canada sucked, or italy sucked...would you not defend you country? would you just say ya it does suck, and because our government is powerful and bullies people, that means that all its citizens support it and act the same way???????

Oh and vargas in 1990 i was 4 1/2 years old so how could i support any political figure or military/ government action???

[azzurri]

The U.S is a great place to live if your middle to upper class, otherwise it's not very good. U cant ignore tens of millions of your population when talking about standard of living. Canada regularly gets ranked above the U.S by the United Nations Human Development Index. For 2007, Canada was 4th whereas the U.S was 12th.
Statistics - Human Development Reports (UNDP)

Health care here is great, as long as your not poor...if your poor your fucked, but its sure as hell of a lot better then canada...I live in detroit right near windsor and have lots of canadian friends...
Canada has universal health care, which sounds great, because everyone gets it but the hospitals and patient care there are a joke...You sit in hospitals for hours just waiting to get in to see someone...perscriptions are expensive...alot of people i know come here to get them..

Every1 in Canada has proper health care regardless of how much money they make. If you're poor or in debt (which equals tens of millions of Americans), you're not left to die.

The issue of wait times is exaggerated. It's been politicized to win votes. It's a weak counter argument anyways, as I doubt any1 would trade long wait times for a non-universal health care system. If it's a life saving operation your taken quickly. Ive had enough family and friends get cancer to know this for a fact. If it's a hip replacement, knee surgery etc, than the wait times are longer.

As for prescriptions, u get the majority of the money back through the insurance anyway, which even those on welfare have. As for prices, it depends on the drug. Some are cheaper in the U.S, some are cheaper in Canada.

My moms friend would have sat in a canadian hospital with mediocare doctors and died from cancer...instead he crosses the boarder every day to come to a good hospital and recieve treatment to fight his cancer....

Y are American hospitals poaching Canadian doctors than? Y is the life expectancy in Canada higher than the U.S?
WHO | Canada
WHO | United States of America

If our doctors were inferior to American doctors than u wouldn't be stealing them, and your life expectancy would be higher than Canada.

[Jager]

Canada has universal health care, which sounds great, because everyone gets it but the hospitals and patient care there are a joke...You sit in hospitals for hours just waiting to get in to see someone...perscriptions are expensive...alot of people i know come here to get them..

My moms friend would have sat in a canadian hospital with mediocare doctors and died from cancer...instead he crosses the boarder every day to come to a good hospital and recieve treatment to fight his cancer....

I'm not sure where you got this from, but its simply not true. There are wait lists for some elective surgery, but all the critical stuff is handled promptly and efficiently. However we are working on it.

Universal healthcare is the way to go, most if not all European countries offer it. Only the US doesn't, why??? Because your big pharma and HMO's don't want it. They will lose their "kittY", so to speak.

Also you seem to be misinformed. Its not Canadians who come to America for prescriptions, its Americans who come to Canada for them. We have a thriving internet pharmacy business mainly used by Americans. It got so bad that our government had to stop it, as you lot were consuming to many of our drugs, and not leaving enough for us.

Universal Healthcare has two benefits.

1. we can buy drugs in bulk. Bulk means cheaper. Think of Costco. This is a fact, there is no way around it.

2. critical healthcare decisions are not made by Insurance companies who don't have your best interest at hand. They are made by the doctor.

And just to get back to it, while I have no doubt that people in the States with the best insurance and are bank rolled have excellent healthcare, the poor can be easily turned away from hospitals.

Take for instance my neighbours sister in Seattle who she and her husband were wiped out financially over his lingering chronic health issues, and they were professionals.

BTW, my father has been in the hospital since last month, and I would say his care has been nothing short of excellent. And we didn't get any visit from an inusurance agent, or any nasty bills in the mail. All was taken care of, and frankly I don't even know how much his surgery cost or care for that matter. An American doesn't have this luxury.

[LaVecchiaSignora]

ok were not getting anywhere..lets just agree to disagree about the unimportant things...all im saying is dont assume because our government doesnt have a soul and doesnt care who it kills doesnt mean that american citizens condone that activity or think its ok

[Jager]

Originally Posted by LaVecchiaSignora

ok were not getting anywhere..lets just agree to disagree about the unimportant things...all im saying is dont assume because our government doesnt have a soul and doesnt care who it kills doesnt mean that american citizens condone that activity or think its ok

Fair enough. However I don't know how this problem can be fixed or how it explains two terms with Bush?

I'm positive part of the problem is the media, and how it is controlled. You basically have no center-left dailies or news programs, other than the New York Times. Most of your media is skewed to the right.

This is a problem since anything that is negative concerning the current administration is not really talked about. Like government debt or the war in Iraq or Afghanistan where everything was cherry coated. I saw the "march up" to Baghdad on the BBC compared to CNN, and it was like night and day. CNN made it out to be a like a parade, where no one was killed.

In reality, there were corpses of soldiers and civilians every where. But this did not get reported or seen. Why is this crucial? Because it can sway people one way or the other. For example if war is seen as sterile, without casualities, then the American people will accept it. Its plainly obvious that after Vietnam, the Pentagon has learned not to show the "graphic" stuff.

And hence the reason, why Europeans are against war in general.

This is just an example of the power of media, and how to use it to sway public opinion.

[LaVecchiaSignora]

I voted for kerry in the last election...i was shocked that bush got in office...as far as im concerned the election was rigged...the amount of people who hated bush was huge, and pre elction talks and polls put bush way lower than kerry, but somehow the next morning everyone awoke to a bush victroy...its all rigged if you asked me...if bush would have left office all the shit they wanted to do in the middle east would have been interrupted...so they did something i think.

This election isnt going to be much better...Obama, and McCain are both idiots...its a shame in this country that you cant become president unless you have millions of dollars to run...because its like we have to vote for who ever is the least retarted of the two..

They will both prolly do a shitty job...its just about whos going to do a less shitty job if you ask me...I think with obama there will be less war, prolly mccain too.

Obama is muslim and if you havent noticed they arent recepted well here in the USA so that could turn people off to him..not to mention hes black and weve never had a black president...but i started to think if i wanted anything in this country to change...would electing another old white guy like john mccain change anything>

Maybe obama needs to be eleected to impose some sort of change, at least new thinking or a younger generation of thinking or something...who knows anymore.

Im gonna have to wait to hear some debates and what not before i can decide who i want to vote for.

John McCain is very left center though...hes about as close to a democrat as they get while stille being a republican...so who knows..

[Vargas_4]

I just didn't agree with your "we are the best country in the world" statement.

I know i blew a fuse there but it really got to me.

That's all.

[LaVecchiaSignora]

its all good

[The Rule]

Originally Posted by LaVecchiaSignora

of course people dont like america...we are the best country in the world!

It's statements like the second part of the above that make the first part true.

America is the best country in the world.

At what exactly?? Interferring in other countries business? Starting wars over non existant weapons of mass destructions? Stealing oil from other countries?

There is no "best country in the world". Every country has it's plus points and negative points. America has some great points but then when you look at their health care system, their crime rate, their foreign policy and their political system, it's very hard to back up a claim that America is the best country in the world.


Oh, and i think Obama will be a good president. I've high hopes for him. I met him about 5 years ago and he struck me as a really really genuine guy.