Racial Profiling?

[Jager]

Your thoughts on racial profiling? Do you agree with it or not?

I personally do. I believe if a certain group is causing trouble, and the main body of the "group" is not doing enough to fix the problem, then you as a group, should come under more scrutiny.

Discuss...

[apetimberlake]

I do not agree with it.

I have family friends....Both Israeli one Arab one Jew.
The arab is a VP at a large corperation.
Been in Canada for 30 years.
Not a Muslim.....He is Christian..

And his stories of harasment by IDF forces at the Air Port is enough to make me sick.

The Jewish guy works odd jobs...has little income...
Been in Canada for 5 years...
Looks scruffy...

He has no issue's getting through security becuase he is not an Arab.

[Forza_Roma]

Every race has their positive and negative qualities. What bothers me are certain races that use slang words to represent themselves, yet get offended when others discuss them in the same slang. The media also targets racial groups and that's the prime reasoning why people discriminate toward races. It's hard to base judgment on someone based on others actions.

[apetimberlake]

YES!!!
I AM NOT A SMELLY FRENCHMAN!!!
AND FORZA ROMA IS NOT THE WOODBRIDGE WOP

[Jager]

So if a known rapper from American and his "possee" are stopped at the border, and search extensively for narcotics, that is not right?

Or if bikers are heading up from the states, we shouldn't search them?

But we should search everybody eqaully and radomly?

I'm leaning towards the profiling, even if these are not necessarily racial profiling.

[Podolski]

I agree. I think it is just logical, not discriminating or racist.
For example, if 90% of terrorist attacks are committed by muslims, you are obviously going to be more wary of them hijacking a plane or something than someone of a different race. It makes sense.

[sinoy1]

Sure it sounds all nice and lovely when you type it out and throw some sort of basic logic at it.But in reality its the average people that get hassled.

Like for instance there was a beach volleyball tournament this past summer me and a friend ( who is white ) go to the beach for a relaxing day by the water and play some volleyball and what happens...some random checkpoint filled with cops and security guards just come up to us...let him go and say "You sir your bag open it now"....Ok....first thing that runs through my mind why me and not him.

So I cooperate and they basically ransack it searching for some kinda drug....I laugh and my friend laughs as well and I mockingly say "What is this Racial profiling?Why are you searching me and not him...heck for that matter why not her or him..." I notice a few meters away they stop another black guy and search him as well.....I was visibly angry by this...this is right next to the university ( more or less 5 minutes away ) surely they know that Im not going to throw away my education for this petty stuff....they quickly apologized and I said "my bag wasnt in plain sight so the contents inside should not be searched as said by the law.whats your badge numbers and names" I bring out a pen and they all start sweating and looking at each other....My friend starts laughing and I obviously didnt know if it was or not....thank god for Law and Order SVU .My friend laughing joked about how he was a 4th year law student and how he would have a lawyer sue them for unlawful behaviour along with racial profiling under senseless acting and irrational behaviour.The security people quickly apologized and offered us free drinks...which we gladly accepted.

Everytime we walked by one of them they would hang their heads.Ofcourse rightfully so.I didnt have anything aside from a towel and extra shorts.Are they doing their job?Not when they let over half the people in and decided to check only a certain group in a well established area.....I frown upon that.

Either way what Im saying its completely baseless...If they wanted to stop the flow of naurcotics or terrorists bombings the government would have a long time ago.Instilling fear in the public is the number 1 job of a government.

If the cops are going to search someone then they should search everyone around them.If you have a tip that someone is carrying something then go for it Im all for that.But random searches on a particular group....I see no rationale behind that besides media and government propaganda to show you that one certain race ( although again we're all one big race ) is more aggressive then others.

[Jager]

However monitoring mosques in various countries has caught many would be terrorists. The same thing with various webpages and such. So I'm not really sure you can point to one incident, and say that its failing.

American custom agents pulling aside sikhs is just plain ignorant, but asking a few questions towards people with arabic or persian names, seems prudent and logical, a long with all the other protocols in place. Its a very touchy issue, this I do agree.

[Deuce]

I get tagged just about every airport I go to, I got pulled aside in Japan, Chicago, Atlanta, Boston, it happens and you know what I'm happy it does at least I feel a bit safer even if its a hassle to open my backpack at every terminal.

[apetimberlake]

Originally Posted by Jager

However monitoring mosques in various countries has caught many would be terrorists. The same thing with various webpages and such. So I'm not really sure you can point to one incident, and say that its failing.

American custom agents pulling aside sikhs is just plain ignorant, but asking a few questions towards people with arabic or persian names, seems prudent and logical, a long with all the other protocols in place. Its a very touchy issue, this I do agree.

Jager..

With all due respect when you speak of racial profiling all that you have to think about is that what if it was your father or father figure being humiliated and kept for hours at checkpoints by some 18 year old soldier with a gun.

How would that make you feel?

[Forza_Roma]

For the TS members from Toronto, you know how Italians from Woodbridge are viewed.

Here's a few example of how we are portrayed...I think it's quite funny how people view us. Here's a couple 15 yrs old girls impersonating their peers.

Part 1
YouTube - Woodbridge Bro! Part 1
Part 2

TalkSoccer Media Player

This was made by yours truly...Broooo

TalkSoccer Media Player

[Jager]

Originally Posted by apetimberlake

Jager..

With all due respect when you speak of racial profiling all that you have to think about is that what if it was your father or father figure being humiliated and kept for hours at checkpoints by some 18 year old soldier with a gun.

How would that make you feel?

I wouldn't like it, but I understand that we live in a very complicated world at the moment. How would you like it if a bunch of fundamentalist muslims hijacked your plane or the plane with your wife, sister or mother on board?

[Werdna]

Well basically racial profiling is another quick and easy "fix" to a problem in today's world.

Of course you're going to find some criminals if you search and harass all black peope and you will also find the odd terrorist if you constantly monitor all muslims. But you'd also find lots of criminals if you searched all white people and also find some dangerous christian fascists if you monitored them all.

But what problem does that solve in the long run??? You just create more problems without eliminating criminals or terrorists!

If let's say 50% of all the money recently invested in "police" and "military" was invested in a system to educate everybody in a country (and by educating I mean teaching them objectively about the different religions and races on top of preparing them for a good job etc.

These kind of solutions keep getting overlooked and overlooked on just about all important subjects nowadays and it's just making the matters worse. I can imagine why politicians and other important decision makers make these decisions as they want quick fixes to ensure re-election etc...or...as I can't imagine they are all stupid maybe there are a lot of people who think it would be better to run down and totally control at least 50% of the population...

[Podolski]

Originally Posted by Werdna

Well basically racial profiling is another quick and easy "fix" to a problem in today's world.

Of course you're going to find some criminals if you search and harass all black peope and you will also find the odd terrorist if you constantly monitor all muslims. But you'd also find lots of criminals if you searched all white people and also find some dangerous christian fascists if you monitored them all.

It's about majority. I'm not saying the majority of muslims are terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are muslims (not sure about this, you can switch muslims with whatever race it really is) rather than other races therefore if you monitor all the muslims you are most likely to catch a terrorist rather than monitoring all the white people for example.

[G-R87]

I DO NOT AGREE!

Why should you tar all races with the same brush? I've experienced it myself, Just because I'm Black I often get asked so called 'random' questions or when I go out with my friends people assume that we are causing trouble because we are black. I'm speaking on my own behalf here...It is wrong!

I do not agree because it suggests that you are the same as everyone elso of that racial description. I'm Black, so I Must be associated with crime and hip hop...absolute crap!

Why should certain minorities be racially profiled? I don't think that if you are born a certain race you automatically live by the stereotype. This angers me because this means that is would be justified to suspect any other Black person if a 'Black district' has lots of crime or trouble.

People 'outside of the box' will think it is OK because it doesn't affect them, but it AFFECTS ME!....How would you feel if you were automatically labelled in a certain way just because of your race? If you are then I'm sure you will agree with me.

I'm tired of sterotypical attitudes and assumptions. Racial profiling is quite frankly an example Racism.