Racial Profiling?

[sinoy1]

Originally Posted by Forza_Roma

They have the right to ask for your student id at any time they please and if you refuse, Campus police will arrive and do it for you and embarrass you in front of your peers in the process. Don't be a smart ass with Campus police...they do a lot to patrol campus and keep you students safe. Along with all other University staff.

Mate I have absolutely no problem showing my ID to the Campus securty fellows.But if he decides to speak to me in that manner then Ill treat him with the same respect.

[Jager]

Originally Posted by apetimberlake

So a proactive approach seems to mean having the police searching out arabs...blacks....sikhs or whatever minority the police see fit and questioning them about commiting crimes???

Maybe if there was a gold or diamond rip off we should hang out in front of the local synagogue and question jews?

Sounds like Italy or Germany in the 1930's

No thanks..

Sad to say this, but there was virtually no crime in Italy.

No mistake fascim with German Nazism or jews. Learn your history.

[Jager]

Originally Posted by matthew

In addition, pointing the finger at specific groups also adds fuel to the so called fire; If you monitor a group so rigorously then they are bound to get pissed off eventually...and i can see why!

I fyou keep victimising groups simply because one of them sets a bad example then sooner or later they will become more and more hostile. Surely racial profiling elevates the issue and adds unecessary attention to the problem.

If you deal with these problems based on the actual circumstances rather than bullshit suspicions then they can be dealt with accordingly. (what I'm saying is that by over hyping these issues you are adding too much pressure to the group in question...they will grow more hostile and eventually errupt due to the overwhelming tention; Also, the idiots who commit these crimes want the attention. If you don't monitor them religiously then they will not feel want to gain attention...like I say, Racial Profiling simply adds fuel to the fire).

Don't be niave. One group can be monitored without tampering with individual freedoms. Fundamentalist muslims want to destroy western society, they hate are ideals and beliefs. This in itself is MORE than enough right to monitor the community at large closely.

If that means that every mosque is monitored and infiltrated with spies, I'm all for it.

Maybe the moderates will turn on the small minority, and we won't have to do this any more.

[Jager]

Originally Posted by azzurri

Crime is determined more by your socioeconomic status than your race. That's a fact. It just so happens that alot of coloured ppl live in lower income neighbourhoods, which are more prone to crime. The environment is the major factor. Race is insignificant.

Take Canada for example. Natives make up less than 3% of the population yet constitute over 40% of inmates. Is that because Natives are un-ethical and have no sense of right or wrong? No, its because they live on reserves, segregated from society, in poor conditions. It's not a coincidence that Natives who dont grow up on reserves dont commit as much crime, if at all.

Absolutely correct. And most aboriginals in Canada are in the shitter, because they mismanage their money and are too much into the booze. But that is basicallly to what you are saying.

[Werdna]

Originally Posted by Jager

Absolutely correct. And most aboriginals in Canada are in the shitter, because they mismanage their money and are too much into the booze. But that is basicallly to what you are saying.

WOW.

Maybe at European football matches only traveling Italian fans should be searched while entering as they have caused a few more problems at football stadiums recently...


Being proactive and trying to do something about crime etc is of course better than doing nothing but social profiling has basically the same effect as America "combating" terrorism by going to Iraq. All you do is upset people who otherwise would never have thought about becoming terrorists or violent.

Take the example from someone here with an elderly woman, single mum with her baby and a guy in his mid twenties. If security only have the "resources" or "time" to search one person then yes they probably would/should search the bloke. However the people who make policy decisions simply can't support that idea then it is their duty to come up with ways where all 4 of them could be searched!

As I've said before social profiling might be pro-active to a point but basically it is simply laziness (if not racism).

[apetimberlake]

Originally Posted by Jager

Sad to say this, but there was virtually no crime in Italy.

No mistake fascim with German Nazism or jews. Learn your history.

I know alot about History ....and i know the differences between facist Italy and Facist Germany.

I also know towards the end Benito's regim was taking a very anti semetic stance as well.

[Brandinho]

Originally Posted by apetimberlake

I do not agree with it.

There's a shock

[G-R87]

Originally Posted by Jager

Don't be niave. One group can be monitored without tampering with individual freedoms. Fundamentalist muslims want to destroy western society, they hate are ideals and beliefs. This in itself is MORE than enough right to monitor the community at large closely.

If that means that every mosque is monitored and infiltrated with spies, I'm all for it.

Maybe the moderates will turn on the small minority, and we won't have to do this any more.

Naive? You need to read some of your comments mate

'every mosque is monitored and infiltrated with spies'. And I'm the one who's naive?! I don't think that these acts of terror are organised in mosques mate. (In this case I suppose the IRA oporate in a Church )

Sorry, but I think you above all people have no right to say Naive...

Fundamentalist muslims want to destroy western society, they hate are ideals and beliefs

Isn't this a massive sweeping comment? Again, your ignorance is ridiculous. Simply because a few terrorist groups decide believe that their acts are 'Islamic demands' that means that all muslims believe the same? So I suppose that all muslims are anti-western then?

I suppose that all Catholics are terrorists because of the IRA also?...Maybe we should monitor churches...

[apetimberlake]

Originally Posted by matthew

Naive? You need to read some of your comments mate

'every mosque is monitored and infiltrated with spies'. And I'm the one who's naive?! I don't think that these acts of terror are organised in mosques mate. (In this case I suppose the IRA oporate in a Church )

Sorry, but I think you above all people have no right to say Naive...




Isn't this a massive sweeping comment? Again, your ignorance is ridiculous. Simply because a few terrorist groups decide believe that their acts are 'Islamic demands' that means that all muslims believe the same? So I suppose that all muslims are anti-western then?

I suppose that all Catholics are terrorists because of the IRA also?...Maybe we should monitor churches...

Or perhaps hang out at catholic churches in Italian area's to find out who is getting paid under the table for contracting jobs

[Jager]

Originally Posted by apetimberlake

I know alot about History ....and i know the differences between facist Italy and Facist Germany.

I also know towards the end Benito's regim was taking a very anti semetic stance as well.

At the pressure of the German regime. Benito's remaining days should not be considered the end all in this area when considering his leadership.

I will only say this, fascim is no worse or better than socialism, capitalism or communism..all of them have pros and cons.

Though crime flourishes under the ones, and the other ones reward people who don't work hard.

[Jager]

Originally Posted by Werdna

WOW.

Maybe at European football matches only traveling Italian fans should be searched while entering as they have caused a few more problems at football stadiums recently...

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No, that is the domain of English fans. Italian fans do not cause trouble outside of Italy. The problems have been outside of the stadiums in the city, so your analogy is piss poor. And our police beat the living shit out of the troublemakers.

[apetimberlake]

Originally Posted by Jager

At the pressure of the German regime. Benito's remaining days should not be considered the end all in this area when considering his leadership.

I will only say this, fascim is no worse or better than socialism, capitalism or communism..all of them have pros and cons.

Though crime flourishes under the ones, and the other ones reward people who don't work hard.

A total dictatorship via terror is not comparable to acceptable forms of leadership....

None the less i think this topic has flammed itself out and should be closed

[Jager]

Originally Posted by matthew

Naive? You need to read some of your comments mate

'every mosque is monitored and infiltrated with spies'. And I'm the one who's naive?! I don't think that these acts of terror are organised in mosques mate. (In this case I suppose the IRA oporate in a Church )

Sorry, but I think you above all people have no right to say Naive...




Isn't this a massive sweeping comment? Again, your ignorance is ridiculous. Simply because a few terrorist groups decide believe that their acts are 'Islamic demands' that means that all muslims believe the same? So I suppose that all muslims are anti-western then?

I suppose that all Catholics are terrorists because of the IRA also?...Maybe we should monitor churches...

Again, piss poor rebuttal from Matt.

Catholics and the IRA??? The IRA or their leadership have publicly denounced their original ideals, and have decided to put down their weopons and lobby through diplomatic means. When the crazy fundamentalist muslims do THIS, then they can have the same breaks. Unfortunately, maybe you haven't read the papers, they seem to be creating more rhetoric. Now granted, the Isrealis and the Americans are partly responsible for this, but as a neutral, I have to look after my own interests, which includes racial profiliing. If your a hardcore muslim, we will ask you more questions, spy on you and make sure you know that any illegal activity will be watched.

And I never said all muslims are anti western. If you READ my comments I said that hopefully the moderates will TURN on the fundamentalist, and tell them that killing inocent people is completely unacceptable.

Lastly, the reason the fundamentalist hate western society, is not because we are monitor them here, its because we invade their countries and such, but that is for another thread......

[Jager]

Originally Posted by apetimberlake

A total dictatorship via terror is not comparable to acceptable forms of leadership....

None the less i think this topic has flammed itself out and shou