Do you believe in the UFO/Paranormal phenomena?

[jec1]

....it's fabricated!

[Smooth Mike Ale]

nope

[Mr Brightside]

Now, I do not believe in God / Allah or whoever you believe in.

But I have seen something that was not human.

It was fairly bright, misty in form and in the shape of a human. Anyway...

I was about 6 years old and my best friend had just died after he had climbed onto the roof of the local church to get a ball back. The ball had stuck on the roof and he climbed the grills on the windows to get at it and the grills weren't strong enough. He suffered multiple injuries and died almost immediately.

Some time later, we were playing football in the forecourt of the church hall, which is where he died, and everything was fine. The old caretaker, who we called SPARKY (I don't know why !) was locking the doors to our church youth club.

Right beside him was a form of a human as I explained above. He turned to us and shouted to go home, and we ran and ran and ran.............

There was 3 of us who witnessed it. Sometimes I wonder was it a dream, but I'm still friends with one guy who was there, and he recalls exactly the same.

Freaky.

[sinoy1]

That is pretty freaky mate.There are sayings that when you're young you can see such things, since being young attributes to being innocent.I cant remember if my mother or Aunt told me this but again it is a saying.

There are plenty of things in this world you cant describe or see...I think you saw one of them .

Which leads to the question was it ghostish and is there such a thing as the soul? dont want to get all philisophical because you dont believe in a higher power but i think i would have been scarred if i saw something like this.What kind of voice did it yell at you and your mates with?

[jec1]

Anybody watch Paranormal State? What a bogus show!!

[Mr Brightside]

Originally Posted by sinoy1

That is pretty freaky mate.There are sayings that when you're young you can see such things, since being young attributes to being innocent.I cant remember if my mother or Aunt told me this but again it is a saying.

There are plenty of things in this world you cant describe or see...I think you saw one of them .

Which leads to the question was it ghostish and is there such a thing as the soul? dont want to get all philisophical because you dont believe in a higher power but i think i would have been scarred if i saw something like this.What kind of voice did it yell at you and your mates with?

Like I said, it was like a silvery misty form in the shape of a person. It didn't shout at us. The caretaker did.

But the strange thing is that this thing was right beside where the caretaker was standing, and he didn't seem to notice it. Just us kids. It took us quite some time before we played football in that forecourt around dusk again. We still played there in daytime though.

My mate and I have often wondered was it the soul of our friend watching us play football where he played with us and unfortunately died ? We'll never know now of course. But if it was, it gives me a nice warm feeling to know that he was there again with us, if it was him of course.

And the fact that it happened when I was so young meant that it never actually frightened me as such. It just fascinated me. After this happened, we would often have gone and sat at a spot where we could watch that spot, just to see if it ever returned, but it never did. That was 31 years ago.

[jec1]

Did anybody see Paranormal State?? What a crock of shit!!

They performed exorcism on a 26-year-old girl. They thought she was possessed. And there I was sitting through it all thinking her head would spin.

Isn't her voice suppose to change?

[cianl1]

As far as paranormal goes, I really don't know. Yes, there have been several seriously creepy and strange incidents but, the real thing for me is aliens.

I don't believe that there have been alien sightings in the past, you know like in the 50's with the blurred photos of someone's dinner plate. I think I can go as far to say that we are alone in this galaxy i.e. the milky way, I mean there are only eight planets in the solar system (for those of you who don't know or haven't heard, Pluto was downgraded as planet since there was found several similar items around it that were not planets) and we've inhabited the best one, but in terms of the rest of the universe with the hundreds and thousands and millions of other galaxies out there, who knows?

We just simply have not perfected space travel far enough yet.

[jec1]

Here's part One Of The Series:

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Real Or Not?

[cianl1]

One thing I hate though...

If anyone has the Living TV channel they'll know about this. The series Most Haunted. Absolute bollox! I mean if you're going to fake something at least do it well!

[Mr Brightside]

Originally Posted by cianl1

One thing I hate though...

If anyone has the Living TV channel they'll know about this. The series Most Haunted. Absolute bollox! I mean if you're going to fake something at least do it well!

It was quality when Derek Acorah was the resident Psychic. Since he left, it has just gone down IMO.

[unitedfan]

There is a lot of evidence of "paranormal," assuming that word is used in its barest definition; as an umbrella term for all things unusual. The most obvious phenomenon, for me, is that of things happening within or from the mind; e.g. out of body experiences. People often have out of body experiences in a sort o "remote viewing" fashion.

There's a lot of people coming back from the brink saying they've seen a heaven or a hell or whatever it may be, but thats quite easily explained. They believe in God, or are pushed to last-minute belief as they start to die, and with the lack of oxygen they could hallucinate, and see what the brain either wants or expects.

But out of body experiences, and cases where patients can see things in the following room or hear conversations elsewhere in an unconcious state, is scientifically unexplainable. That shows as much as that there are possibilities with the mind . There's already the known possibility of illusions, our minds submitting to illusions most of all, as well as taking advantage of that effect. But I think there is more the mind is capable of then on the face value of it, although it is largely uncommon.

Ghosts, I'm not so sure. I have no reason to believe in them, or think that they exist. In fact, there's more evidence against the existence of them; arguing in terms of the same wavelength I was on just before, they could be an illusion of the mind. Although there are cases, as Brightside pointed out, where multiple people experience the same thing. That tell me that either we don't know much at all about ghosts or whatever they could possibly be, or that we don't know the full possibilities of illusions. If we are to assume ghosts exist and that they walk the earth and/or watch us all, then it is not much of a leap to instead assume that there are types of illusions and tricks of the mind which can affect multiple people, however they may be brought about.

What I'm saying is that a lot of people make some sort of leaps of faith. What if there's another direction you can leap in? There's absolutely endledd theories for anything, and imo, the world is really there for us all to interpret as we please.

[sinoy1]

well firstly our conciousness is on a different plain so to speak than other forms of life.I mean like our society runs on if you can see it,its real.What if one or a few number of people can see a few things and the majority cant.Is it real?For example until just recently humans didnt know what bacteria was.Just because it cant be seen with the naked eye does it mean it does not exist?Same with Ghosts .

Also to be blunt Ghosts and Demons are 2 seperate things.Just for clarification

Just thought id play devil's advocat...no pun intended

[unitedfan]

Whatever a being is, if it can't be seen or evaluated, they are all categorized the under the same umbrella until we have the evidence/knowledge/reason to term them seperately. Ghosts and Demos are two different things yes, in terms of definitions, interpretations, etc. However, as neither can commonly be seen, and as both are dead-ends for interpretations of them, and as neither can be any more than speculated to exist, they fall into the same bracket when we talk about the reality of things; i.e. do they exist?

It's less to do with the question of "can the naked eye see them" and more to do with the overall mist over any possibilities of their existence. You can really look at anything and interpret it any way you please - a cloud could be interpretted as a demon, for example. But that doesn't make it exist, what would do is if we were able to evaluate them, that is to say, if we are able to answer the questions of how they exist, where do they exist, what they exist as, why the xist as they do and when do they or have they existed (from). In these types of questions, we must be able to find a bridge between our own knowledge and the answers to these questions.

So for example, we don't know where ghosts commonly exist. Some will just say "haunted houses" or something, but this is not a valid answer, because it is just running rings around the question, rather than answering it. On the contrary, we know where polar bears commonly exist; as we can say they like in the arctic, because they are adapted to this environment, camoflage, behaviour, dietry habits, etc, etc.

That's a bit of a hasty example, but you get the point. If you can't evaluate the reasons/circumstances for the existence in a logical manor, without major logic leaps or gaps in the equation, you can't really say, with any certainty, that it exists, whatever it may be. That makes the difference between beliefs and knowledge imo.

Conscienceness is often out under the umbrella of the paranormal, and as such I grouped this with it. "Paranormal beings" on the whole is an issue I'm not so sure on - I have no conclusion on the topic, and my opinion is really therefore just one of vague speculation and half-logical beliefs.

I do conclude on life on other planets though: there are billions of galaxies, within which there is only one planet harvesting life which we know of. That suggests that life has a 1 in some 10s of billions probability of taking place. To me, those odds appear impossible and therefore there must be life on other planets. However, I could be wrong; it could be quite possible that life has just a 1 in some 10s of billions probability of taking place.

With ghosts and demons, I can't possibly really draw logical arguments out from anywhere. There is nothing to my knowledge which really suggests that ghosts or demons are any more than systems of belief which are a product of, and creator of, illusions within conscienceness. I don't dismiss it, because equally there isn't a perfectly logical argument which states complete and total impossibility of ghosts or demons existing, just a possible reason for the interpretation of their existence. So I conclude with disconclusion on it: I don't know if they exist, but at a push I would say they most likely don't.

[Mr Brightside]

Having seen a form that was difficult to comprehend, especially at such a young age, and also having two friends see the same thing at the same time, I'm convinced that it was a sign from our friend who died yards from where we experienced the sighting.

We always played football there and that's where he unfortunately died. It was probably where he was happiest and where he knew he could contact us.

But I find it strange that I still cannot believe in God, yet believe in the sighting of a ghost.

And talking of life out there. There simply has to be.

I mean, where does the universe end ? And what exists at its end ?