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01-01-2008, 03:48 PM
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Twice he's left a club after just a matter of a few games into the season.
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I don't think it was his choice to leave Chelsea...
after all the problems he had with Abramovic the fact that Abramovich kept him that long was surprising to say the least.
And even if he did quit Chelsea...was he getting backing from the board or owner?? no
was he being allowed to buy players he wanted?? no
when he wasn't allowed to buy any defender when our whole back line was injured and he won us 2 cups...he continued to fight Roman and he certainly didn't quit (when most managers would)
So saying he is a quitter imo is very wrong.
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01-01-2008, 03:56 PM
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Twice he's left a club after just a matter of a few games into the season.
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You clearly have no idea of the story mate.
Mourinho was signed by Vale Azevedo, who then lost the elections to Vilarinho. Right when Vilarinho came, he said his coach was Toni and he would take over next season (Mourinho's contract would run out at the end of the season). Mourinho build a good team and beat Sporting 3-0, then gave the President an ultimatum, either sign an extension or he'd be off.
The president chose Toni instead of Mourinho, so he went to Leiria and got them to finish in 4th place (their best ever was 11th...).
TBH i would have done the exact same thing Mourinho did
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01-01-2008, 04:10 PM
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The reasons and complications surrounding why he did it are irrelavant, the fact remains that he did do it.
And if nothing else it proves he struggles to get on with the board.
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01-01-2008, 04:16 PM
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The reasons and complications surrounding why he did it are irrelavant, the fact remains that he did do it.
And if nothing else it proves he struggles to get on with the board.
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It's not irrelevant mate, if you claim he is a quitter, then you need to back it up. Like me and Dellas are doing, when we disagree that he is a quitter.
The fact that he left doesn't prove he doesn't get on with the board, at least in the Benfica case.
Since you say he is a quitter, put yourself in his situation (Benfica case), would you stay with Benfica, even though you were going to be released at the end of the season ? |
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01-01-2008, 04:26 PM
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The reasons and complications surrounding why he did it are irrelavant, the fact remains that he did do it.
And if nothing else it proves he struggles to get on with the board.
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It's not irrelevant mate, if you claim he is a quitter, then you need to back it up. Like me and Dellas are doing, when we disagree that he is a quitter.
The fact that he left doesn't prove he doesn't get on with the board, at least in the Benfica case.
Since you say he is a quitter, put yourself in his situation (Benfica case), would you stay with Benfica, even though you were going to be released at the end of the season ?
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Give us examples to prove he is a quitter...because he doesn't get on with the board doesn't make him a quitter in fact it most likely means he isn't a quitter (most likely the board get rid of him before he gets bigger than them).
would you stay at a club who would buy you players that you didn't want and then refuse to buy you players when you desperately needed them...most managers would have left long before Mourinho did, if they were at Chelsea. |
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01-01-2008, 04:28 PM
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He's not going anywhere, he already signed a deal with setanta sports 
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01-01-2008, 04:33 PM
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Since you say he is a quitter, put yourself in his situation (Benfica case), would you stay with Benfica, even though you were going to be released at the end of the season ?
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He was still contracted to the club though wasn't he?
He signed a contract then left before seeing it out.
He quit, it's as simple as that. You can't argue it any other way. |
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01-01-2008, 04:44 PM
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He was still contracted to the club though wasn't he?
He signed a contract then left before seeing it out.
He quit, it's as simple as that. You can't argue it any other way.
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You're twisting this in your favor mate.
One thing is a coach quitting for not being able to do the job well (which clearly wasn't the case as Benfica hadn't beaten Sporting in league matches for 3 seasons and they were just 2 pts off champions Porto), another completely different thing, is a coach leaving 2 months before his contract ran out, because he knew he wouldn't stay next season no matter what happened -- I don't think that makes him a quitter
Again, if he had left because the team was playing shit, then that would make him a quitter.
The Chelsea case, I won't comment on it, I'll leave it to Dellas because I'm not informed enough about it. |
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01-01-2008, 05:01 PM
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He was still contracted to the club though wasn't he?
He signed a contract then left before seeing it out.
He quit, it's as simple as that. You can't argue it any other way.
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He was still contracted to Chelsea but Roman wanted him out and they agreed to kick him out....what the news says about "mutual agreement to leave" is bullshit...Mourinho loved the players wanted to stay but if the board wants you gone as a manager you cannot stop them axing you...
we were playing badly and so Roman used this as an excuse to get rid of him...he wouldn't have left like that.
so he didn't quit chelsea the board kicked him out. |
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01-01-2008, 05:02 PM
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You're twisting this in your favor mate.
One thing is a coach quitting for not being able to do the job well (which clearly wasn't the case as Benfica hadn't beaten Sporting in league matches for 3 seasons and they were just 2 pts off champions Porto), another completely different thing, is a coach leaving 2 months before his contract ran out, because he knew he wouldn't stay next season no matter what happened -- I don't think that makes him a quitter
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he is not a quitter if he leaves before the board kick him out...he just seems to have beaten the board to the punch. |
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01-01-2008, 11:33 PM
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he is not a quitter if he leaves before the board kick him out...he just seems to have beaten the board to the punch.
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His contract was running out, it wasn't a case of the board sacking him.
He could have chosen to see out the rest of his contract but he didn't, that's the point I'm making. |
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01-01-2008, 11:36 PM
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He didn't quit Chelsea, Roman sacked him, two big personallitys collided. Jose wanted to win, Roman wanted Success and entertainment, this all wouldn't of happend if he just gave him 4-5 million to buy Tal frigging Ben Haim.
The guy is a legend more I remember him, wasn't so long ago... awww sad face.
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01-01-2008, 11:42 PM
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His contract was running out, it wasn't a case of the board sacking him.
He could have chosen to see out the rest of his contract but he didn't, that's the point I'm making.
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Why would he stay until the end and help Benfica if he was going to be released? |
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02-01-2008, 12:31 AM
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Why would he sign a contract if he wasn't going to see it out?
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