Annual Real Madrid & Cristiano Ronaldo Thread

[jlae11]

tevez deserves an incredibly large fine... he has spoken way out of his place. sorry carlitos... you are a brilliant player, but apparently not overly intelligent.

[hk_on99]

Originally Posted by jlae11

tevez deserves an incredibly large fine... he has spoken way out of his place. sorry carlitos... you are a brilliant player, but apparently not overly intelligent.

It wouldn't be a democracy if he wasn't allowed to have freedom of speech. He hasn't done anything against the rules.

[jlae11]

^

that post is naive... he can (and probably will) be fined for denigration of the club or something like that.

this sort of thing happens all of the time in american sports.

[hk_on99]

Originally Posted by jlae11

^

that post is naive... he can (and probably will) be fined for denigration of the club or something like that.

this sort of thing happens all of the time in american sports.

HAHAHA. It's not going to happen. He hasn't talked shit about the club, unlike that dimwit Barry. All he's saying is that Ronaldo's wishes should be respected.

Don't be stupid.

[kyan]

A fine is a bit extreme, but a stern word is definitely required.

hk_on99, a football club isn't a democracy, the manager is the leader. Either he's obeyed, or little factions start doing whatever they want and go behind his back & it ends up like Chelsea last season (both Mourinho & Grant getting the sack because a few powerful insiders were unhappy).

[kyan]

Glazers back Ronaldo retention
Gill reveals club's united stance over Real target's future

Manchester United chief executive David Gill has revealed the Glazer family are fully behind the decision to retain Cristiano Ronaldo.

Ronaldo's future has been in doubt since the latter stages of last season following public interest from Primera Division champions Real Madrid.

It has been strongly reported that Real are poised to launch a record-breaking bid for the Portuguese, should he declare his intention to leave Old Trafford.

However, the Red Devils are standing firm amid the speculation, and have on numerous occasions insisted the 23-year-old is not for sale.

And Gill has confirmed that the club are unanimous in their decision to keep Ronaldo after he explained that a brief meeting at the UEFA Champions League final with the owners, the Glazer family, confirmed their desire to retain the two-time PFA Players' Player of the Year.
Full stop

Gill said: "We saw them (the owners) at the Champions League final and the speculation was already present then. It was a short, quick conversation.

"Under the PLC regime, we would not have had to sell him but we would have had to be more public.

"We would have had to consult major shareholders a lot more. Ultimately it would have been a more public situation.

"As it is we have had one phone call, one chat in Moscow and the decision was made. Full stop."

Contract

He added: "You cannot say what will definitely happen in a year's time. But by then he will still have three years left on his contract.

"Let's not worry too much about it. He is at the best club and Alex is very comfortable about it.

"We may give him another contract next summer, you never know. I have not, however, had detailed discussions with his advisors.

Sky Sports | Football | News | Glazers back Ronaldo retention

[hk_on99]

Originally Posted by kyan

A fine is a bit extreme, but a stern word is definitely required.

hk_on99, a football club isn't a democracy, the manager is the leader. Either he's obeyed, or little factions start doing whatever they want and go behind his back & it ends up like Chelsea last season (both Mourinho & Grant getting the sack because a few powerful insiders were unhappy).

If a manager wants to build an atmosphere of mutual respect, he must allow players to express their opinion. Tevez was merely expressing an opinion. His words were not insulting to the club or the manager, so he has done nothing wrong. He hasn't jeopardised the club's reputation and is not deserving of a fine.

I believe Grant got the sack because he was always going to be sacked. He was brought in as a temporary replacement, although the fact that he got close to a double probably surprised the board. Mourinho was sacked not because players were unhappy. A lot was said about Shevchenko's unhappiness, but that is at best, a peripheral reason. The main reason was that Abramovich wanted to play a more attractive style.

[kyan]

Originally Posted by hk_on99

If a manager wants to build an atmosphere of mutual respect, he must allow players to express their opinion. Tevez was merely expressing an opinion. His words were not insulting to the club or the manager, so he has done nothing wrong. He hasn't jeopardised the club's reputation and is not deserving of a fine.

Of course.

Except the player should not be expressing his views in public, but directly to his manager.

I believe Grant got the sack because he was always going to be sacked. He was brought in as a temporary replacement, although the fact that he got close to a double probably surprised the board. Mourinho was sacked not because players were unhappy. A lot was said about Shevchenko's unhappiness, but that is at best, a peripheral reason. The main reason was that Abramovich wanted to play a more attractive style.

Possibly on Grant, although if he'd have had the players' backing he probably would have had more time.

And on Mourinho some papers indicated that Terry was a large factor in him leaving. If Abramovich sacked him only because he wanted to play more attractive football then 20 games into the season probably wasn't the best timing.

[hk_on99]

Originally Posted by kyan

Of course.

Except the player should not be expressing his views in public, but directly to his manager.

Stupid move on Tevez's part.

Possibly on Grant, although if he'd have had the players' backing he probably would have had more time.

And on Mourinho some papers indicated that Terry was a large factor in him leaving. If Abramovich sacked him only because he wanted to play more attractive football then 20 games into the season probably wasn't the best timing.

Well by the end of the season, a lot of the players were coming out on Grant's side.

If I recall correctly, Terry was crying when Mourinho left. He was also one of the first people to show up at Cobham to say goodbye I believe. Not to mention that Lampard and Terry were the first people Mourinho contacted upon being dismissed. I highly doubt Terry was the culprit behind this.

I think Abramovich wanted to give Mourinho a chance at playing attractive football, which is why it took him so long to be sacked. After the Rosenborg game though, he probably had had enough and subsequently sacked Mourinho. Grant was always lined up to take over as temporarily. He was brought in as Director of Football, a position that has suspiciously remained vacant since his departure.

[Dellas]

During an interview with a Man Utd player the subject of Ronaldo will always come up, Tevez has his opinion, Carrick and others have their own opinions. While Tevez should be allowed to voice his opinion, it isn't the best time to talk about Ronaldo, players should kinda back the manager up. Not create more hassle for them, because new rumours will start, saying that "Tevez spoke to Ronaldo and Cristiano said this to him...." etc. Tevez was not clever doing it especially if he has not fully become a Man Utd player. However a fine is a bit excessive.

On the Mourinho thing, Roman wanted to kick him out long before, but he still had the backing of the players, however, one day during the HT of a match, Terry went to Roman and said Jose has lost the control/backing of the team. That was another reason to get rid of him so Roman did. Otherwise it would be weird that Jose has never mentioned Terry in interviews, e.g. "the 3 players that I owe everything is...". The bond they had was weakened...will be interesting to see the reaction when and if Chelsea play Inter, from that everything will be understood.

[hk_on99]

Hmm yeah on Terry I just realised that I had mixed him and Lampard up. Lampard was the one who was crying like a baby. Not really sure about Terry, although it is reported in the press that he was one of the first contacted, so how important that quarrel with Mourinho is we don't know.

The main reason for Mourinho's departure though, remains Roman's strained relations with Jose. Grant was brought in before any feud between Terry and Mourinho.

Anyways, now we're completely off topic...

[dukeofdavinci]

What the fuck is Tevez playing at?

If he wants his permanent transfer sped up pissing off Ferguson and the fans probably isn't the best way to do it.

agreed, let the club handle ronaldo's matter, as team mate why on earth you another of your team mate to move is unthinkable??

A fine is a bit extreme, but a stern word is definitely required.

hk_on99, a football club isn't a democracy, the manager is the leader.

excatly

[unitedfan]

Well Tevez should know that this kind of thing isn't what you tell the media, but if a journo asks him his views on the matter, is he supposed to recite a pre-determined response the manager has told him to say in such a case? He's actually given quite a neutral response, just saying that he thinks if Ronaldo's heart is somewhere else he may as well be allowed to move on. On those grounds, a fine would be hugely ridiculous. He has given his opinion on a hypothetical scenario, he hasn't put any pressure on the club to sell Ronaldo.

[dukeofdavinci]

directly no, but indirectly he has done some minor damage.as we all know trhe press will have a filed day wth these kind of stuff.

if u ask me yes he should recite what the manger has told, if fergie ever told or better yet just say he is our team mate and we want him here.is that a big ask??i mean wouldnt any team member fight and stand up for his team mate??(remember keano, cantona etc etc..)

[unitedfan]

if u ask me yes he should recite what the manger has told

Well there's the old question of whether footballers should be robots or human beings.

or better yet just say he is our team mate and we want him here

Isn't something alongthese line

"The [United] team has great players, including Cristiano Ronaldo, of course"

"It's clear that he is a very important player for us"

enough? Plus we all know that Tevez would be happy for Ronaldo to stay, look south for an example of the two in celebration. He is by no means saying he'd be happy to see the back of Ronaldo. What a journo makes of what the man says is beyond his control. Us fining Tevez based on this, would be like the FA fining us over the Berbatov case, over that assumptious journo there.

Oh, and it's AS btw.