Sorry I've only just noticed some of the newer posts in this thread but ffs hanuma r u trying on purpose to be blinkered?
It took Spurs till December last season to win away from home, largely because they couldn't take control of games away from home cos their midfield wasn't strong enough.
Spurs suffered without Carrick as they did yesterday, they don't really have anyone to dictate the tempo without him.
But underrate him all u like, he's valued by United and United fans, and he has a Premiership Champions medal from his 1st season, which I'm sure is more important to him than fans of other clubs' approval.
And as for u not rating Vidic as highly as we seem to... that's a real shocker isn't it?
He's a top defender who gets stuck in, look how much our defensive record has improved with him.
Although again it doesn't really matter... I mean most fans don't rate Lampard as much as Chelsea fans either.