Calciogate; The Truth

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Giu le Mani dalla Juve (Hands off Juve, I think), the shareholders appeal is doing very well. If the EU courts accept their case, the FIGC, Juve, etc have no choice but to accept their decision. Anything from getting our 2 titles back, to the FIGC being forced to repay Juve the money they lost resulting from their relegation (200 million euro's).

They even got a letter from Platini stating that UEFA are following their progress. U would think the media would report these things.

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Author: Giuseppe Solinas, taken from Facebook group titled ""Calciopoli or Falsopoli; The Truth Behind The Trial That Crippled Juventus"

I try and avoid talking about this stuff because it bothers me a lot. There are two sides to the Agnelli family. There is Andrea Agnelli (who loved the triade) and the Elkan side (that loves Montezemolo). The Elkan side wanted to assume total control of FIAT operations (including sport) and for this reason there was an internal struggle at Juventus for the last 5 years or so. I remember reading about it when I lived there so it was a while back. We all knew the Agnelli’s were no longer supporting Juventus financially because they didn’t hide it at all.

To assume control the Elkan side needed to get rid of Moggi and Giraudo because they had control of the team’s business affairs. Not only that, but the Triade was loved by the fans and had a secure position within Juventus’ shareholders. Not to mention that if they fired the Triade they would just wind up working for Inter or Milan…I’m sure you remember both teams trying to recruit them, (Galliani admitted it and Moggi went on TV with the written contract signed by Moratti and later Moggi obviously refused). They needed Moggi and Giraudo out of soccer all together. That meant they needed them suspended.

Proof 1)
In the weeks prior to the scandal, the Milan Stock Exchange registered 4 times the average transactions of Juventus’ shares. After the Italian Revenue Agency (Guardia di Finanza) concluded their investigations they noted that Special Shares were sold to hand picked (new) shareholders. These new shareholders increased the number of voters on Juventus’ shareholders panel and as a result reduced the voting power of the two biggest (individual) shareholders which were Antonio Giraudo and Luciano Moggi. This ensured that if the two refused to step down, the shareholders on the Elkan side (now outnumbering the Andrea Agnelli side) could easily vote out Moggi and Giraudo. The two didn’t even put up a fight and decided to resign rather than be humiliated further after being voted out.

Proof 2)
FIAT and its holding company IFIL did not defend Giraudo and Moggi who had to find their own lawyers. To “defend” Juventus they used FIAT lawyer Zaccone who did pretty much nothing. He was quoted numerous times stating that things “could have gone worse (Serie C) given the evidence” (speech at the Juventus Shareholders Assembly on October 26th 2006). Now that we have the evidence and questioned him on what could have sent Juventus to Serie C, he has opted to remain silent. Zaccone only woke up and defended Juventus after the other squads had their sentence reduced and were all in Serie A (one even in he CL) except Juventus. At that point Juventus decided to appeal to the Civil Court of Lazio (TAR Appeal which I can provide for anyone interested). It seemed almost as if they (Elkan group) had been betrayed by the court. Maybe Serie B with 30 points (and then 17) was not what they had agreed to. The TAR appeal was created with a fury and deposited in court. On the 31st of August Zaccone retreated and withdrew the Appeal. Weeks later Juventus’ sentence was reduced to Serie B with -9 points. No further action was ever taken. In an interview in Tuttisport on the 4th of October former Constitutional Court President Antonio Baldassarre claimed “had Juventus proceeded with their appeal in civil court, they would have likely won and as a result crushed the system that currently controls soccer in our country.” So why did they withdraw hours before standing trial?

Proof 3)
Zaccone and Cobolli Gigli stated that the pressure of the public blame that would result due to the Italian tournaments being suspended by FIFA & UEFA (including Euro qualifiers) as a result of their appeal forced certain upper management figures to change their minds at Juventus and FIAT. Who though? Who put pressure on Zaccone and Gigli (who had finally woken up) to withdraw? Sports Minister Melandri may have answered that question for us after publically thanking Luca Cordero di Montezemolo (Elkan’s right arm) after Juventus’ withdrawal from the Civil Courts. Montezemolo is a FIAT Director and more importantly the President of Ferrari SpA. During the Calciopoli trial a woman by the name of Caterina Platea (who worked with the wire transcripts under Investigator Adamo Bove) confessed not only to manipulating and destroying wire transcripts for Bove (who committed suicide two weeks after the confession) also made another shocking revelation. Montezemolo was frequently at Telecom Italia where she was intercepting calls. She admitted to seeing him coming out of the offices of Tronchetti Provera and Massimo Moratti. Why would they be meeting? We got the motive recently when Telecom Italia sponsored Ferrari SpA for millions of Euros, the same Telecom Italia that spied on Juventus and is owned by Tronchetti (also owner of Inter’s biggest sponsor Pirelli tires and the FIGC/Lega’s biggest sponsor TIM).

Fact: All Juventus personnel are now part of the Elkan side of the Agnelli family (note Tardelli and Bettega of the Triade side were let go or didn’t have their contracts renewed).
- Secco (IFIL Director)
- Cobolli Gigli (former FIAT Manager)
- Blanc (IFIL Director)

A popular theory amongst Juventini is that FIAT intend on offloading Juventus and cashing in on the sale of the team now that they own more than 60% of the team’s shares and control the team entirely. It is expected that if Juventus qualify for the Champion’s League that the team will be put to market. One of the bigger signs was the Elkan family’s 104.5 million Euro investment into the team which should have gone to player signings and salaries. It was instead used to pay off debts that resulted from their relegation (75 million) and finance the stadium that Juventus own (Delle Alpi for 20 million). Very little (less than 10 million) was used to purchase players. Most player signings this year were actually paid for with the sales of prior and current players. The decision is logical. After all, it’s easier to sell a team with fewer quality players and good books than a team with stars on the bench and debts in the bank with a busted stadium to fix. If sold FIAT could finally focus on and invest greatly in the team that has always been their priority…Ferrari. One team was sacrificed (and is still being sacrificed) for the other.

We may not have all the answers yet…but what we do know points in the direction of an inside job, a betrayal, and a compromise between the Telecom Teamsters (Moratti-Tronchetti-Rossi) and the FIAT bosses (Elkan-Montezemolo).

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This clearly goes above and beyond football which is extremely sad.

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The calciopoli case is going to be re-opened, in the civil courts. Good news. The truth may come out.

Also, remember all those Telecom Italia arrest for espionage? Well, they are going to testify against Moratti and Tronchetti in the spring.

In light of the above news, which came out during the same week, in typical Italian fashion, the parent company media of Inter have launched new accusations against Moggi to divert the attention. However, here is the funny part.

They accuse Moggi of more SIM card non-sense during our season in serie b. Here is whats wrong with that:
a) Were suppose to believe Moggi continued to use his phone/SIM card routine despite already knowing both those methods were being illegally tapped by Telecom Italia. Furthermore, y would he continue to do such things while under indictment?
b) All of Moggi's alleged connections in the league are gone, so who could he call?
c) Y would he defend Juve, who's new management have fucked him over big time?

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Calciomercato.com | Primopiano

Judge Paola Di Lorenzo:
"Accounting fraud is not a punishable offence"

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Inter and Milan have been cleared of all charges.

a) They werent found innocent. Merely the law was changed to accomodate what they did (how convenient)

b) Some1 tell that to all the clubs (Torino, Salernitana, etc) who over the last 5 years, have been relegated on something that up until now, was illegal.

c) It does alter the course of a season since your finances have to be in a certain state in order to be eligible to play in serie a. Therefore Milan and Inter shouldn't have been able to play in serie a.


I guess its one of the perk's u get when your parent company is the leagues main sponsor (Inter/TIM), or your owner is the majority shareholder of a company who has massive TV contracts with the league (Berlusconi/Milan).

Just like Moggi said a few month's ago, the power of the FIGC is centered in Milan. Moggi is right once again.

[D-Kin]

Ferrara blasts Moratti claims Wednesday 6 February, 2008

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Juventus legend Ciro Ferrara has slammed Inter President Massimo Moratti for his claims that the 2002 Scudetto was won unfairly.

The Calciopoli scandal may have been consigned to the annals of history, but Moratti believes that Juve used underhand tactics to triumph in 2002.

His claims relate to May 5 when Inter needed to beat Lazio away to win the title, but they lost 4-2 at allowed the Old Lady to clinch the silverware with a 2-0 win over Udinese.

“Without that crew of crooks we would have won the League in 2001-02,” Moratti said earlier in the week, relating to the Juve triade of Luciano Moggi, Antonio Giraudo and Roberto Bettega.

However, Ferrara, who was playing that day, has struck back at the Inter chief.

“Moratti knows how to lose, but he hasn’t learned how to win yet,” he bellowed.

“All I say to him is if you have any evidence then show us, but otherwise don’t say anything.

“This story of the Scudetto in Udine is old news, but all of the Inter players know very well what happened.

“I have spoken to them in private and there have never been any problems. We sweated for that title on the pitch,” he concluded.

channel4.com - Football Italia

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LMAO

Moratti really hasn't got a clue. Such stupid comments only add to the source of their image problems.

As for that fateful day, May 5th 2002, when Inter blew the scudetto by losing 4-2 to Lazio whereas we won 2-0 to Udinese, I present u this, taken from Juve's scudetto parade that year:

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Moggi quote from :

“If Luca Cordero di Montezemolo had defended Juventus the way he is now defending Ferrari, the club would never have gone into Serie B.”

Quote from a months ago, but I never knew that Montezemolo (chairman of FIAT) is also president of a company called Confindustria, which has Marco Tronchetti Provera and Gian Marco Moratti as vice president's.

Marco Tronchetti Provera is owner of Pirelli, Inter board member (and 2nd largest share holder) and former president and majority shareholder of Telecom Italia (during the time of all those illegal wiretaps, including Juve).

Gian Marco Moratti is Massimo Moratti's brother.

Confindustria - Top Management

[Jager]

My god, Juventino are worse than OJ Simpson's defense team!

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Originally Posted by Jager

My god, Juventino are worse than OJ Simpson's defense team!

Juventini have exposed something Inter puppet Rossi tried to hide with administrative red tape. Everything is backed up by the very verdict his commission wrote. That's the beauty, and irony, of this whole topic. The very verdict that ppl thinks states Juve are cheaters actually proves their innocence.

The scandal is far from over, hence y Moratti makes baseless comments every few weeks. He is scared because the tides are turning. Look at his latest whinning episode. Apparently Juve are responsible for his team blowing a lead twice vs Lazio and in turn losing the scudetto, even though Inter player's admitted they blew it, and nothing was heard from him than.

He is playing the calciopoli card, which may have worked in the summer of 06, but in light of the Telecom Italia arrest's, numerous legal confession's and interview, upcoming trials, etc no1 believes him. He is going to have to dig very deep to make this problem go away.

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He makes comments because Juventino and Moggi and company make ridiculous statement, on all how they never did anything wrong, and that everybody but them is guilty.

And you fall into this category yourself. If you say that other clubs have done worse, then fine, but don't tell me that Juve never did anything wrong.

Just because you were caught, and others weren't, doesn't make Juve's infractions any better.

Moratti is the public figure of Inter, he is the club's owner, he is there defacto spokesman. Of course he makes comments. What do you expect him to say when the media asks him the same shit all the time?

The same for Moggi? Do you ever expect him to say anything contrary to what Juventino want to hear? Of course not.....however I find it kind of funny how all the "players" insist they are inocent, but they were no where to be found when the shit hit the fan.

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And you fall into this category yourself. If you say that other clubs have done worse, then fine, but don't tell me that Juve never did anything wrong.

No matches were fixed or ref's bribed, and Moggi wasn't a ringleader of anything. the relegattion was illegal according to the very rulebook they said they used; fact. If u believe otherwise, than you're wrong. Its as simple as that. Scroll back a few pages, the page numbers in the verdict where this is stated are there. Go to the FIGC's site, the verdict is posted and see for yourself.

Just because you were caught, and others weren't, doesn't make Juve's infractions any better.

Caught of what? And who caught us? <------------------extremely relevant.

Moratti is the public figure of Inter, he is the club's owner, he is there defacto spokesman. Of course he makes comments. What do you expect him to say when the media asks him the same shit all the time?

That's not the point. its the fact he keeps playing the calciogate card everytime his club get criticized. The Lazio example, even Interista dont believe him, nor the players, yet Moratti blames it on Juve. Its a fucking stupid thing to say anyway u look at it.

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Who caught you was some informant who taped the conversations. Being the major telephone company, its ridiculous to assume that they were Interati or who ever. They are public company with many employees. Unfortunately sometimes employees do things that are not authorise or good. Look at the banker in France for this.

Secondly, this hypothesis is just that. I personally don't buy that. Heads of companies have very little time for such trivial things. Trust me on this. I deal with them regularly.

As for conviction or what not, I said my peace on this. I understand you are very upset and mad, and you want to get back at Inter and Milan and such. But that is life.

I have read the transcripts of Moggi's dealings and I know he talked to players under contract for other clubs, he is disrespectful man, with no business class.

For you to defend him speaks volumes of the reach and "cult" status he has created. Juve are much better off without him, the league is better. Yes, this is my opinion Nick.

Nobody ever believes any of this about Moratti. Moratti is too honest, that is the problem. He is quick with the "tongue", however he is a nice man and true football fan. Actually, I have never seen an executive in any sport be a crazy fanatic as he.