Discussion: Germany's 23 players for the Euro 08

[cassanova]

Originally Posted by Trim17

Fair point, I compeltely forgot about Borowski.

Wiese won't be called.

Baumann is too old.

Dunno about Fritz, I have mixed ideas.

At least you admit your mistake
Borowski should start for Germany, he is the second best midfielder after Ballack. Fritz is better option for than Friedrich. Wiese is better than all of the other German goalkeepers. Baumann has experience, he is still good.

[Trim]

Originally Posted by cassanova

At least you admit your mistake
Borowski should start for Germany, he is the second best midfielder after Ballack. Fritz is better option for than Friedrich. Wiese is better than all of the other German goalkeepers. Baumann has experience, he is still good.

Yeah, Borowski will start for Germany, unless any injuries prevents that.

Loew and Bierhoff don't consider Wiese yet.
He won't make the Euro 08.

Baumann and his experience are not needed, honestly.

[Oliver_Kahn]

Thought I should bump this thread. so *bump*


Those who posted their squads, would you make any changes ?

From my list, I would take out Helmes, Schlaudraff, Castro, Tasci and Metzelder; And would add M.Friedrich, Kiessling, Rolfes and Fritz; leaving one spot one for another CB, but I can't think of anyone atm (besides Westerman but he is rubbish).

[Trim]

Originally Posted by Trim

True. Still early to call, but, a predicition won't do bad anyone.

Goalkeepers

Lehmann, Hilderbrand, Enke

Defenders

Lahm, A. Friedrich, Jansen, Pander, Mertesacker, Metzelder, M. Friedrich

Midfielders

Ballack, Frings, Schneider, Schweinsteiger, Hilbert, Hitzlsperger, Trochowski

Forwards

Klose (best German striker), Podolski, Gomez, Kuranyi, Schlaudraff, Helmes

The list I put up early. Revised it again, not a lot changes, only three.
I'd take out Schlauddi, Hildebrand and Helmes, in for Adler (!!), Kiessling and Hanke.

[Dragoen]

My list

Goalkeepers

Lehmann, Enke, Adler

Defenders

Lahm, A. Friedrich, Jansen, Fritz, Mertesacker, Metzelder, Westerman

Midfielders

Ballack, Frings, Schneider, Schweinsteiger, Rolfes, Hitzlsperger, Trochowski, Pander

Forwards

Klose , Podolski, Gomez, Kuranyi, Kießling


Edit:

Originally Posted by cassanova

At least you admit your mistake
Borowski should start for Germany, he is the second best midfielder after Ballack. Fritz is better option for than Friedrich. Wiese is better than all of the other German goalkeepers. Baumann has experience, he is still good.

How times can change

[Vargas_4]

^ Lol

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My list.

Goalkeepers:

Rene Adler, Timo Hildebrand, Tim Weise

Defenders:

Philipp Lahm, Per Mertesacker, Marcell Jansen, Christoph Metzelder, Manuel Friedrich, Arne Friedrich, Christian Pander and Christian Lell( for his solid performances this season).

Midfielders:

Michael Ballack, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Thomas Hitzlsperger, Tim Borowski, Sebastian Kehl, Toni Kroos(Should give him some experience), Torsten Frings,

Strikers:

Miroslav Klose, Lukas Podolski, Mario Gomez, Stephan Kiessling.

I defenitly wont call Huth, Lehmann and Kuranyi. Schneider a bit too old in my opinion, Rolfes is good but I preffer Borowski and Frings to fill the DM position, Trochowski is a good candidate though and so is Freier. 4 top strikers is enough, better generation of goalkeepers, so far solid defense and midfield needs a bit of better choice I guess, heh heh.

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[Dragoen]

Lell? Wiese? BOROWSKI???????????

from all those players brorowski is by far faaaaaar the worst. I would rather take Lauth to the EC than Borowski.

Like one Werder Fan said in another forum "the hole that is left by Borowski is replacing him very well."

Lell played good but he is not ready for the national team yet. If he continues his good development he might be soon. Same goes for Kroos. Rolfes is playing an excellent season in Leverkusen it would be just ridicoulus to leave him at home

Wiese is too incostant for the national team. Too bad Fromlowitz already signed a contract with Hanover 96. But maybe we will get Miller or Sippel. But that's another topic

Trochowski also needs to be taken to the EC because he is one of the few players that can play on the left wing

Also you left out Fritz with what reason? He is one of the best right back/wingers in Germany.

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Originally Posted by Dragoen

Lell? Wiese? BOROWSKI???????????



from all those players brorowski is by far faaaaaar the worst. I would rather take Lauth to the EC than Borowski.

Lell is a good candidate in my opinion, Wiese as 3rd keeper. Your critic about Borowski is slightly harsh, he could take over from both Ballack and Frings as a sub also you cant replace a midfielder with a striker. I only picked 4 good quality striker who are performing well at the moment, true that I should have called someone like Hanke or Lauth but I strongly beleive that these 4 are enough.

Lell played good but he is not ready for the national team yet. If he continues his good development he might be soon. Same goes for Kroos. Rolfes is playing an excellent season in Leverkusen it would be just ridicoulus to leave him at home

I beleive that Lell is ready for some International experience now, he acted well in place of a far experienced player such as Sagnol, could do well as a sub. I agree that Kroos is still in development and might be a bit early, but Voller did the same to Bastian Schweinsteiger remember in Euro 04? So why not try Kroos, he could bring a surprise or 2, Rolfes is having a good season yes, but I preffered Kehl,Frings and Borowski to take the DM responsability, altough the kid should go too maybe instead of Kehl.

Wiese is too incostant for the national team. Too bad Fromlowitz already signed a contract with Hanover 96. But maybe we will get Miller or Sippel. But that's another topic

Wiese is much better than Lehmann or Neuer in my opinion he should be at least selected as the 3rd keeper after either Hildebrand or Adler. Cant comment on either of the other keepers you mentioned.

Trochowski also needs to be taken to the EC because he is one of the few players that can play on the left wing

I dont see the reason for this, because Schweinsteiger covers the left wing.

Also you left out Fritz with what reason? He is one of the best right back/wingers in Germany.

I admit it was a big mistake on my part to leave out Fritz maybe I should have taken out A.Friedrich and wrote Fritz instead.

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[Dragoen]

It is not that Borowski does not have the potential to play for the NM but at the moment he is just crap and nothing else.

I don't want to take Trochowski to the EC as left winger #1 but he is good as a sub. Wiese ist not better than Neuer they are both really inconstant. At some days they are worldclass and on other days they catch nothing.


I definetly would not tkae out A. Friedrich for Fritz. A.Friedrich is one of the best players in the NM when it comes to defensive work. He may not be spectecular in the offensive but he is really good in the defense. We need such a player against strong teams and to secure leads. I would rather take out M.Friedrich for Fritz.

Oh and the thing about taking Lauth that was just a joke
Lauth was rated worst player in the league in the first half of the season. I just wanted a proper comparision on how much I don't want to see Borowski at the EC.

[Oliver_Kahn]

Originally Posted by Dragoen

It is not that Borowski does not have the potential to play for the NM but at the moment he is just crap and nothing else.

If we go by current form, Klose wouldn't be on the national team.

Borowski is clearly not motivated to play for Werder anymore, as unprofessional as that sounds, it's the truth.

Originally Posted by Dragoen

I don't want to take Trochowski to the EC as left winger #1 but he is good as a sub. Wiese ist not better than Neuer they are both really inconstant. At some days they are worldclass and on other days they catch nothing.

You have Piggy as the starting LM, Hitzlsperger as his sub. Schneider can fill in at LM as well if Jogi plays Fritz on the right. So IMO no point calling Troche.

As for the GK's, Jogi doesn't rate Wiese so he isn't an option. Neuer is worse than Wiese, he had that magical night against Porto then screwed up vs Barcelona. He can't deal with the pressure.

[BlackNess]

My 23 players:

Goalkeepers - Timo Hildebrand, Robert Enke, Jens Lehmann

Defenders - Philipp Lahm , Arne Friedrich , Marcell Jansen , Christian Pander , Per Mertesacker , Christoph Metzelder , Cristian Lell

Midfielders - Michael Ballack , Borowski , Bernd Schneider , Bastian Schweinsteiger , Toni Kroos , Thomas Hitzlsperger , Gonzalo Castro

Forwards - Miroslav Klose , Mario Gomez, Jan Schlaudraff , Kuranyi, Podolski

[BlackNess]

Originally Posted by Dragoen

Wiese ist not better than Neuer they are both really inconstant. At some days they are worldclass and on other days they catch nothing.

Agreed, and imo you can add Adler to this list ....he conceded a goal from 35m against Zenit St. Petersburg, he is worst that Rensing .

[Trim]

Originally Posted by BlackNess

Agreed, and imo you can add Adler to this list ....he conceded a goal from 35m against Zenit St. Petersburg, he is worst that Rensing .

That's not the way to rate someone. One error, in one hundred great performances.

[Oliver_Kahn]

Originally Posted by Trim

That's not the way to rate someone. One error, in one hundred great performances.

Exactly.

I'd say Adler is by far Germany's best goalkeeper at the moment.