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Old 20-04-2007, 08:42 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Exactly, unless Baros said/implied to the guy that because he was black he smelt then it's not racist.

im surprised by it all because he doesnt have a reputation for being racist and his lyon team has quite a few black players as well.
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Old 20-04-2007, 09:32 AM   #17 (permalink)
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So if someone smell, you tell this person he stinks?Well, you don't.This is racism.Nothing else.I like Baros for his days in Liverpool but I don't like such demeanour.I don't think he's proud of it either.Many do racism although they aren't a racist but just because they are angry in that moment.But it's wrong anyway.
 

Old 20-04-2007, 09:34 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Exactly, unless Baros said/implied to the guy that because he was black he smelt then it's not racist.

im surprised by it all because he doesnt have a reputation for being racist and his lyon team has quite a few black players as well.

I don't think he is racist.He just had an 'black' moment.Are you a racist you do racism all the time.
 

Old 20-04-2007, 09:36 AM   #19 (permalink)
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So if someone smell, you tell this person he stinks?Well, you don't.This is racism.

Err, no because nothing says it's race-related, smelling bad is different to having a different skin colour.

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I don't think he is racist.He just had an 'black' moment.Are you a racist you do racism all the time.

Excuse me? I'm racist?? Based on what?
 

Old 20-04-2007, 09:51 AM   #20 (permalink)
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There has been far more incidents than this over the last couple of seasons....this is a proverbial storm in a teacup.......I seriously cannot see how Baros can be sanctioned for racism on this.......holding ones nose implying that you stink should be more down to the Rennes defender using a proper deodorant......

There really is no ground to take this further........wonder how many times Baros was goaded on the playing field....... Fils de pute!!!....Connard.....Enfoire are just a few........Insults and gestures are part of the modern game.....

What we gotta do then?....put a mic on every player and let the fourth official make a decision?.......This is football for fucks sake......taunting the opponent is part and parcel
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I just spoke generally, kyan.Of course you are not a racist.
 

Old 20-04-2007, 09:57 AM   #22 (permalink)
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So if someone smell, you tell this person he stinks?Well, you don't.This is racism.Nothing else.

WTF? Are you implying that only people of a certain race can smell?


Obviously Baros was doing it to have a go at his opponent, maybe he had bad breath, maybe he let one rip, maybe Baros was implying that the guy stunk and couldn't play... (isn't that often used in the NBA for example?).

Simply from those pictures to imply that this is rascism is exactly the kind of "oppposite rasicm" that just goes to far. If a white guy says a white is ugly, he's just being insulting. If a white guy says a black guy is ugly, it's rasism. That's over the top.


P.S. not trying to deminish rasism in any way but not everything is rasism.
 

Old 20-04-2007, 10:00 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Haha, Werdna...

Anyway, I don't find any excuse for what Baros did.He should be punished.
 

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I just spoke generally, kyan.Of course you are not a racist.


O rite sorry i misunderstood...
 

Old 20-04-2007, 11:36 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Anyway, I don't find any excuse for what Baros did.He should be punished.
Why?....you don't know the facts just as those of a the televised image........holding your nose and classing that as a racist signal is hardely criminal is it?..........
 

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Why?....you don't know the facts just as those of a the televised image........holding your nose and classing that as a racist signal is hardely criminal is it?..........

It's not a criminal act.It's a big act of stupidy.Racism or not...
 

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Lyon striker Milan Baros has maintained his innocence following claims he abused Rennes defender Stephane M'Bia with a racist gesture during a Ligue 1 match.

The Czech Republic star was seen pinching his nose and waving his hand in the direction of M'Bia as if to waft away a smell, after the pair clashed during Wednesday's game at the Stade Gerland.

The French league's disciplinary commission will meet next Thursday to look into the incident after they received a letter of complaint from Rennes president Frederic de Saint-Sernin.

However, Baros claims he did not utter a racist word to M'Bia.

"We had several verbal exchanges during the match, some a little strong as happens in any match, but not in a racist character," he told a press conference on Friday.

"If he is honest, he would confirm that. I did not say a racist word to him.

"People are making a big story out of nothing at all.

"I maintain I am not racist. I respect everyone. I have played for five years in England and half a season at Lyon with coloured players.

"I am not racist and everyone will tell you it."

The former Liverpool and Aston Villa player added: "I have not said sorry because if I did, that would suggest I am guilty.

"If the Rennes player had been white, people would not have made a story out of this."

Both Baros and M'Bia may be summoned by the commission to explain what happened.

"The affair will be looked into next Thursday, but the commission has ears and has already assembled all the documents," said Jacques Riolacci, the president of the disciplinary commission.

Lyon released a statement on Thursday, which read: "Milan Baros regrets and deplores the interpretation which could be made of the gesture against Stephane M'Bia, because he had no intention of expressing the slightest racist sentiment.

"Milan Baros simply wanted to tell him something he didn't know how to say in French: 'Leave me alone and give me some space'."

Saint-Sernin admits being disturbed by the incident after watching it on tape.

He said: "On my part, as president of Rennes, I have been shocked by what I saw. I therefore wished to get the league involved.

"I wrote to the president of the league to make known my feelings and those of Rennes. The images are harsh, brutal.

"I consider that the gesture can be taken seriously.

"We can't let images such as these pass, as a month ago, we signed a convention against racism.

"We must set an example, the players must set an example."

M'Bia told Friday's edition of French daily L'Equipe that he was "hurt" by Baros' gesture and admitted he could have taken the law into his own hands if the incident had not happened during a football game.

"I am always very calm," he said. "I prefer to stay calm.

"But if I hadn't have been in the match, and been really concentrating, I think I could have punched him or headbutted him. I could have also left the pitch. But that wouldn't have done anything. I am not afraid of anybody.

"Frankly, would he have had the same attitude up against a white person?

"That is the question I am asking myself. It is for the league to rule."

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Was a stupid thing to do. He looks like a daft wee kid in a playground.
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i agree ,i abhor racsim and if i thought baros was doing racially abusing id say he deserved everything he got, but i dont think this proves him guilty of it,ok its obviously a derogatoroy comment hes making but thats part and parcel of the game isnt it?

Well said, I totally agree. I hate all forms of racism but I'm not seeing any in that video, nor in the article you posted with Baros' statements. Taunting and insults are part of any sport; just because it's a white guy insulting a black guy doesn't mean the insult is based on his race.
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M'Bia was fouling Baros all match. Here's a particular fun moment:

Video Mbia sur Baros !


 
 



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