Sack Jürgen Klinsmann!

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(sigh)

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No surprise, atleast be thankfull that Bayern didnt lose to Nurnberg aswell....

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Crisis at Bayern Munich
The five BIG mistakes of Jurgen Klinsmann

Bayern boss Jurgen Klinsmann has come under enormous pressure after his team suffered their second successive shock defeat.

The 5-2 defeat to Werder Bremen was Bayern's worst home loss since 1979 - and with the team losing 1-0 at Hannover at the weekend, it is now their worst start to a season since 1977.

That's two records and two Bundesliga losses in eight days. Klinsmann’s predecessor, Ottmar Hitzfeld, lost only two league games in the whole of last season…

So why is Klinsi bringing Bayern down? BILD experts analysed the coach’s five biggest mistakes to figure out where things are going wrong.

Rotation

Some substitutes make sense but Klinsi often goes overboard. In the Hannover match, fully fit players Lucio and Ze Roberto were left out of the squad altogether, while a crippled Bastian Schweinsteiger and an injured Daniel van Buyten sat on the bench.

Former Bayern captain and expert Stefan Effenberg said: “It is too early in the season to rotate the players so heavily.”

Lack of a clear system

First 4-4-2, then 3-5-2, and then back to 4-4-2, this time with the midfielders in a diamond-shape. None of Bayern’s stars could break through and show their best on the pitch. Experienced players within the team, especially those who played recently in the European Championships, have complained about the coach’s lack of concrete plans.

His speeches

We are familiar with Klinsmann’s inspirational speeches from the 2006 World Cup, when he was Germany boss. “We will not take this, especially from the Polish,” he said, and also nicknamed Michael Ballack ‘Capitano’.

But now Klinsi has fallen back onto tired generalities: “Give it your best” and little more. The players are discontent with Klinsi’s unspecific direction and miss his dead-on orders.

His coaching team

With 11 coaches, assistants and team helpers, Klinsi has gathered a full football team of backroom staff – some of whom do not speak German. Many Bayern players are not even sure who is in charge of what.

When coaching the German national team, Klinsi had only Jogi Low by his side – a much more effective combination. The current situation brings to mind the saying about too many cooks in the kitchen…

The training

Klinsmann frequently bars media and fans from observing training. But the games are proof enough that many of Bayern’s players are far from fit enough to be on the field. Comebacks, forcing the famous Bayern luck and winning goals in the final minutes of play - they were all to be seen under Hitzfeld but now they seem to have disappeared.

Franck Ribery said: “I do not know what is going on here. I do not know if my teammates don’t feel well physically or mentally.”

Bayern Munich will have to show their best in the Champions League game against Lyon tomorrow. Jurgen Klinsmann has to rally his team or it’s going to be flop of a season for both Klinsi and Bayern.

Bayern Munich and the five big mistakes of coach Jurgen Klinsmann - Bild.de

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Kaiser backing for Klinsmann

Bayern Munich president Franz Beckenbauer has backed Jurgen Klinsmann's selection policy following the shock defeat at struggling Hannover.

Klinsmann started the match with inexperienced Brazilian defender Breno and Argentinian midfielder Jose Ernesto Sosa, and was criticised by the media for his decision.

However, Beckenbauer has refused to join in the press criticism of his coach following the champions' second straight Bundesliga defeat:

"When are Breno and Sosa supposed to get match practice if they are never picked," wrote Beckenbauer in his column in Bild.

"And why not give them a chance against Hannover? Jurgen is going to need them over the course of the season, so it is the right move to give them a chance.

"Even if Bayern had played their best starting XI they wouldn't have won.

"96 were stronger in the tackle and kept the pace high until the end. Bayern hardly created any goalscoring opportunities and that is not just the fault of the selection policy."

Klinsmann, whose team lost 5-2 at home to Werder Bremen the previous weekend, was left devastated by Saturday's defeat at Hannover.

"It was a totally unnecessary defeat, and it hurts," said Klinsmann. "I'm bitterly upset.

"We totally lost our rhythm. We lacked so many things we'd have needed to turn it around - creativity, inspiration and how we played when not in possession.

"Obviously, it was simply not enough to force our opponents into errors and create chances of our own."

Sky Sports | Football | Bundesliga | Bayern Munich | Kaiser backing for Klinsmann

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I do agree with many of the Kaiser's points -- how in the hell are any of these bench players supposed to get playing time, I suppose never if JK listened to all of the doubters -- yet without getting playing time they kept getting criticized by everyone for not shining at Bayern -- Sosa is a perfect example of not getting the playing time he needs to adapt to the way things are in the bundesliga, yet he was criticized for how he plays when he was only on the pitch for 10 minutes at a time. Well this was the problem last year under Hitzfeld -- players went stale on the bench, and very little rotation and subbling way too late.

Yet JK is showing his immaturity of coaching a club team with too many extremes like is pointed out in the "Five Big Mistakes" article. I truly don't believe that we would have done better in the Hanover game even with our best players on the pitch (as the Kaiser points out), as our mentally wasn't there and we were playing our best strikers (Toni, Klose and Poldi) yet we couldn't score. So no complete fault of the rotation.

The formations are a problem as a team has to get used to a system and a certain style of play, and that has changed from Hitzfeld. This isn't a complete problem of JK, as he is bringing style changes, so it is a fault of "Time" as it takes time to implement those changes. yet the biggest fault of JK is knowing which formation to use against which team, you can NOT play the 3-5-2 against utlra attacking teams with 2 strikers, we saw that with Werder. As with a 4-4-2, Hitzfeld liked to play with 2 center DM players with wingers, yet we keep messing around with this and with a diamond. Figure out the right 4-4-2 based on the skills and abilities of our players and stick with it. I don't mind having 2 different formations -- a 3-5-2 and a 4-4-2, but know which one to use, and which players fit in to each system under the right circumstances.

JK is upset, and he knows what he has to do. We can't just rush out and sack Klinsmann. He has to quickly correct his mistakes and figure it out as at Bayern and with Bayern fans, we expect the best right now -- not tomorrow. I am patient, but I believe that anything and everything surrounding Bayern has ultra high expectations. Yet if the Kaiser is backing JK(and he is the biggest critic of everyone), then he must understand.

I do agree that JK brought in alot of trainers that don't speak German, and things can get confusing.

A couple of points I feel like JK needs to act on:

- He has to tell it to his team like it is. If we lose, then he needs to constructively criticize his players, get them motivated. Not just politely ask them to try hard -- this isn't grade school ball.

- He needs to sit down with his trainers and his team and work out a system (set of formations, rotation, etc.) that everyone is happy with and knows about. What we have seen is that he keeps everything a secret until right before kick-off so not even his team knows who is playing. How are the right type of players supposed to be motivated? and how are the trainers and the team supposed to train correctly. Its like going to work anywhere in the world, if you don't know what kind of a system you work in and know what is expected, based on your skills and talents, then how in the hell are you supposed to contribute 100%.


I believe that once he gets things worked out correctly, then it won't be a problem giving chances to players who need growth -- like Rensing, Sosa, Breno, Lell, Van Buyten and others.

Anyway, I sure hope the right people are being logical about this, and taking the correct steps to make sure we get up to speed and get on an upward trend, and not going downward or even like a roller coaster.

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That's it. No more excuses.

Drawing 3 - 3 vs Bochum at home isn't the way to go. Not at all. JK has now lost all credibility and the board should seriously consider firing his ass. It's not working. I don't want us to "look ridiculous" by firing a coach so soon... but are we willing to be humiliated for 6 months? Risk the chance to fall to the 2. Bundesliga? If things keep going the way they are, it sure looks like we're going down the drain.

Somethings HAS to be done.

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Kill JK first then sack him. The piece of shit doesn't have a fucking clue in hell about how to run a club team. Bayern fucked up big time this year in appointing JK as coach and Rensing as the number 1 keeper. If the Bayern board do nothing to JK, then maybe I should be looking at some other team to support who has smarts to make the right decisions. I just can't stand that Bayern are rolling over on this up to now.

I resurrect my statement a while back about how I felt that JK is working as an agent against Bayern and destroying Bayern from the inside. I am sure JK will have the last laugh.

KILL KILL KILL KILL

I absolutely loath, hate, despise JK.

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"The fans' reactions are understandable"

Bayern München's 3-3 home draw with VfL Bochum left them 11th in the table on matchday 7, ahead of the Sunday games.


Which means that under new coach Jürgen Klinsmann, Bayern have made their worst start to the league in 34 years. Klinsmann discussed the situation in interview.

Question: Jürgen Klinsmann, FC Bayern were 3-1 up against VfL Bochum, but ended up being held to a draw after conceding two late goals. What's your verdict on that game and the side's other results in the Bundesliga recently?

Jürgen Klinsmann: The results of the last three league games are very unsatisfactory from our point of view. When you're 3-1 up and have created enough chances to have been leading by a couple more - that's really not the kind of game you throw away. But that's what happened, unfortunately, and it's very annoying.

Question: Did the team get overconfident once they were 3-1 up?

Klinsmann: The game was in the bag. Maybe the team were too sure they had it all sewn up. The match was safe, the players were looking for a fourth goal. At the latest when Bochum pulled it back to 3-2 they should have ensured first and foremost that the game was won, instead of pushing up the park again. I hope it won't happen again - obviously we're annoyed about it.

Question: There were some chants of "Klinsmann out" in the stadium after the game. How hurtful is it for you personally to hear such expressions of discontent?

Klinsmann: It's a bit unpleasant for sure. But the results in the Bundesliga haven't been as we'd hope or expect, so the fans' reactions are understandable.

Question: Should you perhaps have kept Ze Roberto on? He had an excellent game, and after he was substituted in the 78th minute the game tipped in Bochum's favour.

Klinsmann: Ze Roberto put in a sensational performance, but his substitution had nothing to do with that (ie. the run of play, ed.). I wanted to put Tim Brorowski on, and in any case we didn't alter our tactics at that point.

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Lol ^^

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The truth is that the entire "tactics" were fucked up. The team has no mentality whatsoever. Just a bunch of school kids running and passing the ball to eachother wearing the Bayern shirt.

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The shit has hit the fan!

How is Klinsmann still our coach?

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I have reinvented myself over the last couple of weeks, and I feel more strong and optimistic than ever about Bayern, about our squad and about Klinsmann.

I will stand by whatever Bayern does and continue to be a fan. I have been a lifelong fan and I pledge full support about what is happening. Its a revolution of sorts that will bear fruits that will push us into the new style of football that can compete against English and Spanish teams. The old German ideology of football can't just keep up, and we are seeing a new improved outlook from many German teams that are playing in Europe.

I regret some of my negative comments before, and I apologize to Bayern and all the fans on this forum.

Thanks and Forever Bayern!!

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^ That's a very mature comment MM. I'd rep you but the fucking thing won't let me.

It's true that it's a new system and all and we should be there, backing them through thick and thin... But it's understandable for us to flip out in such a way, where we feel like crap, seeing our team throw away games when we should win them, make silly errors, etc.

But really, i think we all have to put our pissed off ness and just deal with it. JK ain't leaving. So we might as well give him support; where hopefully he'll deliver.

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Lookm lets not take all the credit from JK, he did make some changes for example the players fitness has improved, this season the players can go trough whole 90 minutes and still be fit for the next, while last year we did have some fitness problems. And also the only thing that keeps the players goin is his motivation, JK is a good motivator, he keeps on encouraging them. Thats about it. But the downside is that he sucks at tactical department, doesnt have a clue about mentality and style of football, this "style" is made up from his years at Spurs. It wont work with Bayern. Crappy formations and crappy subs. As a coach he doesnt qualify, but as a motivator and fitness trainer yes. Also he's got good languages so he can communicate with Oddo and Toni and Ribery easily.

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Didn't Michael Henke, Hitz's assistant coach, stick with Bayern? How come he's not giving JK a hand with the tactics?

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^ He's doing a totally different job.