Sack Jürgen Klinsmann!

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Trim

To be honest Snake, it was too early to judge him at that time. But, yeah, you were right.

Enough is enough now.

I miss Ottmar.

Lol yeah. at least with Ottmar we would have lost against a pub side too and not just against one of the best sides in the Bundesliga ( Schweiz - Lichtenstein 0-1 *cough* )

I think this is a really interesting time now and Hoeneß will watch it very intensly. If JK manages to hit back in the next 3 games with 3 wins it will be the start of something good. If he continues to play bad formations and stupid subs then he is gone even before the winter break.

I still think that his worst mistake was to make MvB captain and not Lahm. This will haunt him forever.


EDIT: Oh and Snake just reading your 11 points.

I have always thought that you got no clue on soccer. Some really hilarious points in this one. Thx for proving me right

[__-SNAKE-__]

Originally Posted by Eric

Lol yeah. at least with Ottmar we would have lost against a pub side too and not just against one of the best sides in the Bundesliga ( Schweiz - Lichtenstein 0-1 *cough* )

I think this is a really interesting time now and Hoeneß will watch it very intensly. If JK manages to hit back in the next 3 games with 3 wins it will be the start of something good. If he continues to play bad formations and stupid subs then he is gone even before the winter break.

I still think that his worst mistake was to make MvB captain and not Lahm. This will haunt him forever.


EDIT: Oh and Snake just reading your 11 points.

I have always thought that you got no clue on soccer. Some really hilarious points in this one. Thx for proving me right

The way you make that sound is that you're not pissed off how Bayern are playing this badly and yet you still expect somethin out of JK......The worst mistake is puttin him in charge in the 1st place. We havent improved the slighest since last year, in fact I think we are worse as everyone can see clearly.

And mind me asking whats wrong with my 10(not 11) points? I think that they are quite correct nothin "hilarious" about them or would you want me to explain them to you in a clearer way?(even the average person would acknowledge them) What makes you think that I dont have a clue about FOOTBALL(not soccer) I admit I'm not the brightest individual, but most of my opinions were spot on.

[BlackNess]

Please Mr.Eric show us the light of Intelligence and explain your undoubtedly true facts using your Knowledge in Soccer

1) Sack the idiot(JK) - Must be done Immediately

2) Sell Podolski - We have no other option, the guy is whining like a little girl because here friends didn't let her play in the sand

3) Sell Van Bommel - He is the worst member in our squad and 100% not our captain, he is shit in both, Personality and skills

4) Sell Lell - He is a catastrophe

5) Make Ze Roberto stay for 5 more years - The most complete player in Europe, Brilliant offensively and flawless defensively

6) Sign 2 strikers - one of them is Gomez who will fight like a man on his place and another Backup striker in case one of our forwards is injured

7) Sign Oddo - This is a bit harsh is I can say, he has quality but I don't think for more than 1 season

8) Re-sign Jansen - As a backup for Lahm, and we should sign Rafinha for the Right side

9) Sign a new manager (Schaaf, Ragnick, Mourinho, Hitzfeld) - Pick one of those

10) Sign Adler or Hildebrand - Adler is my choice

[Oliver_Kahn]

Originally Posted by Eric

Lol yeah. at least with Ottmar we would have lost against a pub side too and not just against one of the best sides in the Bundesliga ( Schweiz - Lichtenstein 0-1 *cough* )

I think this is a really interesting time now and Hoeneß will watch it very intensly. If JK manages to hit back in the next 3 games with 3 wins it will be the start of something good. If he continues to play bad formations and stupid subs then he is gone even before the winter break.

I still think that his worst mistake was to make MvB captain and not Lahm. This will haunt him forever.)

Although I agree that Hitzfeld wasn't exactly fantastic during his time, I think Klinsmann has been far far worse. There is very little positive from his work until now, he re-invented the 352 formation which clearly makes no sense, specially with the players he is using, his subs have mostly been clueless, so have been his line-ups.

I also think he should be blamed for the failure that was this transfer window for Bayern, we signed Benfica's 3rd goalkeeper and Borowski (who was probably Hitzfeld's signing anyway), but didn't get the DM which we clearly need, lost our only pure LB in Jansen and didn't sign a 4th striker (we had NO strikers on the bench on saturday, that is incredibly bad planning by Klinsmann, when you make a roster you need to count on possible injuries).

You also mentioned the key point, van Bommel being named captain. Absolutely ridiculous decision, one of our major weak links last season being named captain. It makes no sense.

Klinsmann I don't think will last much longer if we don't start getting results and produce some vaguely good football. You know me, I'm not an apologist of sexy football, I like effective football, but given the players currently in the Bayern roster, I think we're allowed to expect a tad bit more, no?

As for Snake's points, I don't agree with a couple, a few are unrealistic, but he does raise a couple of good points as well, for instance, getting rid of that whining little git Podolski or signing a true goalkeeper.

Originally Posted by BlackNess

Please Mr.Eric show us the light of Intelligence and explain your undoubtedly true facts using your Knowledge in Soccer

Very low that.
If you had half of Eric's football knowledge, you'd realize how ridiculous your last post was (the part inside the quote)

[Eric]

Originally Posted by __-SNAKE-__

The way you make that sound is that you're not pissed off how Bayern are playing this badly and yet you still expect somethin out of JK......The worst mistake is puttin him in charge in the 1st place. We havent improved the slighest since last year, in fact I think we are worse as everyone can see clearly.

And mind me asking whats wrong with my 10(not 11) points? I think that they are quite correct nothin "hilarious" about them or would you want me to explain them to you in a clearer way?(even the average person would acknowledge them) What makes you think that I dont have a clue about FOOTBALL(not soccer) I admit I'm not the brightest individual, but most of my opinions were spot on.

Hmmm actually this was a little test. I wanted to see how you would react. So you can actually argue your points and not just use the f word all the time ? Good to know. You have earned some of my respect back.

I actually agree on quite a few of those points. I would NOT sell Poldi and i sure would not sign ze for another 5 years. he is 39 by then and he lives from his speed and technique which will be gone by then

Re-signing jansen would cost us double now. it was a mistake to sell him in the first place. and he is not worth that money. He is good and talented but i don't think he will ever become as good defensivly as he is offensivly.

[Eric]

btw I am no longer defending JK either.

I am waiting for the next 3 games now. vs Nuremberg in Hannover and especially against lyon. If we don't win those 3 games i will be the first to admit that JK was a mistake. But i want to give him that chance.

If you sack him who will be the replacement ? Everyone you mentioned is under contract. Schaaf is not the type for Bayern. He is not a guy in the Media

Mourinho will not leave Inter

Rangnick may be a great coach but only if he has 100 % control over every tiny little thing. He would never ever work under Bayern. At the tiniest little problem the media would kill him. That was always his problem

Hitz is clever enough not to come back. He knows he can only lose

If you want my opinion there you go:

Field this line up:
-------------Rensing------------
-Oddo---Lucio---Micho---Lahm
--------------ze-----------------
--Schweini---Boro----Poldi----
-----Klose----------Toni----------

Replace Klose with Ribery and swap him with poldi once he is fit again.
Against lyon place borowski into more of a CM role

--- cash out 30 mios for a dm and if you are lucky trade mvb for him in the winter break



And about the soccer thing:
I am American and as a die hard Giants fan football just is a different sport alltogether to me. like it or not you are at talkSOCCER. live with it

[Dragoen]

Well I think I'll tell you what I think of this.

Originally Posted by __-SNAKE-__

Now 1st order of buisness in my opinion is...

1) Sack the idiot(JK) Won't happen now give him 10 more games firing him now is a sign of weakness and would only cause trouble and you wouldn't find a good replacement at the moment anyway.

2) Sell Podolski Will happen in the winter break or at latest in the summer break

3) Sell Van Bommel I think there is a 60% this will happen in the summer break

4) Sell Lell Might happen but I am not sure

5) Make Ze Roberto stay for 5 more years Won't happen he isn't getting younger and he wants to go back to his homecountry

6) Sign 2 strikers Will happen but Gomez won't be one of them

7) Sign Oddo Isn't getting younger either but a one year contract might be a good idea

8) Re-sign Jansen Won't happen so soon I am a hundred percent sure. At the moment Jansen is not even first choice at the HSV

9) Sign a new manager (Schaaf, Ragnick, Mourinho, Hitzfeld) 1. Won't join you 2. Doesn't fit to you 3. What do you think? Inter pays him tons of money and that if he hears that Bayern is interested in him that he will take the next flight to München and say Inter fuck you? 4. 20% chance it will happen if he continues to fail with Switzerland it might be possible but I think if thats the case he will retire.

10) Sign Adler or Hildebrand 1. Won't join you because he loves Leverkusen too much. If he leaves he will go to a foreign club. 2. Is he any better than Rensing? I don't think so. Just look at his horrible performances for Valencia.

I think this should help Bayern. Anyone care to contribute?

[Munchen Minded]

Yep -- unfortunately common sense does point out that there is no easy fix to this mess. The only thing that can happen and be allowed to happen without everyone at Bayern looking like idiots is hard work and moving forward -- but unfortunately that gets nullified by JKs tactics and lineups. But At this point doesn't everyone realize that JK does know he screwed up and will do everything possible to remedy the problems and show the fans we will prevail. As much as I hate JK at the moment, I believe that this game will help Bayern get back on the track. Right now this is NOT a crisis, its only one game and with sweeping changes in coaching staff to the new performance center and new philisophies, it will take some time before we are invincible.

[Dellas]

Originally Posted by Trim

Chelsea are reportedly in the race for his signature aswell. I posted about it in the Transfer Talk thread.

We're definately not in pole position.

We've found someone else so unless there is a massive twist we shouldn't get Appiah, and apparently Arsenal have found someone else...not sure who tho.

http://www.talksoccer.net/forum/chel...ea-switch.html

btw on a side note...if you think Jose will leave Inter after just getting there you must be mad.

[Munchen Minded]

Is that supposed to make us feel better Dellas? we don't need Appiah anyway or any other Chelsea rejects. Thanks but no thanks, move along.

[Dellas]

Originally Posted by Munchen Minded

Is that supposed to make us feel better Dellas? we don't need Appiah anyway or any other Chelsea rejects. Thanks but no thanks, move along.

Not really meant to make you feel better but if you want it can. One of the previous points was get Appiah and I just informed you that he is available, i.e Chelsea don't want him anymore...so take it to mean whatever you want it to.

[Trim]

Second defeat in a row in Bundesliga. Credit to JK.

We've lost to (probably) the most weakaned (injuries, etc) side currently in the league.

He started the match without Lucio, Ribéry, Schweinsteiger, Zé Roberto and Oddo. All key members of the squad.

He rested them, having the Lyon match in mind.

Don't think about the future.. think about the present first!

[RunX]

Okay, Now He Bekenbauer needs to move his ass and sack him immediately.........
How can he rest all these important players!!!

[BlackNess]

^^ I told you I didn't like this kind of starting lineup.

I have nothing to add.

[RunX]

This is a bullshit line-up! OMG I cant belive that we lost hannover..