BL, MD21: FC Bayern München 1 - 1 Hamburg SV

[Dragoen]

two subs

Nr.18 off Podolski on

Olic off Van der Vaart on

[ReMad]

A shot fot Ze Roberto left to goal and Lucio's Header right to goal 11
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Nice Skills 17 & 20 & Chances for Toni 18 - 22
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Strong Strike by Van Bomel Right to Hamburg's goal 39
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First Half Highlihts : Bayern 0 - 0 Hamburg
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First goal for Hamburg by Olic after Kahn's & Lucio's Mistake 61
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Ze Roberto Draws for Bayern (1 - 1) 66
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Dangerous Chance for Toni saved greatly by Rost 84
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Van Bomel Out with Red Card for Inappropriate Behavior 91
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[Trim]

FFS!

We threw away again the chance to extend the lead with Bremen!

Damn Lucio, you fucked it all up man! That cost us the draw.

Actually, when we conceded, our tempo changed dramatically, and the guys became more agressive. Thanks to that, the equaliser came.

But again the Reds fucked it up, not keeping that same tempo, but slowing it down.

Van Bommel fucked it up aswell with that gesture, lmao. With the yellow card, he was going to miss the Schalke clash. Now with the red card, he'll risk a 2-3 matches suspension. Not smart at all.

[Stephan]

Wow, Hamburg got lucky.
Does anybody think we also got fucked by the Ref?
I honestly thought the ref wasn't too bright on things.

[Vargas_4]

Originally Posted by Trim

FFS!

We threw away again the chance to extend the lead with Bremen!

Damn Lucio, you fucked it all up man! That cost us the draw.

Actually, when we conceded, our tempo changed dramatically, and the guys became more agressive. Thanks to that, the equaliser came.

But again the Reds fucked it up, not keeping that same tempo, but slowing it down.

Van Bommel fucked it up aswell with that gesture, lmao. With the yellow card, he was going to miss the Schalke clash. Now with the red card, he'll risk a 2-3 matches suspension. Not smart at all.

Couldn't have said it better.

The only somewhat positive in all this is that we have a 4 pt lead over Bremen. Not much to be happy about but oh well.

[Trim]

We definately deserved a penalty man, three-four times our guys were fouled in HSV's zone, fuckin' ref was afraid to blow the whistle.

Ribéry is a legend man, so much he helped from the minute he got in. Fast and furious. Assist for the goal.

Podolski was great again, Hitzfeld should have brought him earlier.

Poldi did more than Klose, today, but not just today. I think it's time to bench Klose, he's just useless those days.

[Trim]

Bayern came from behind to draw with the side in fourth but had Mark van Bommel sent off in an always absorbing and increasingly dramatic match.

A 69,000 full house at the Allianz Arena saw the home side boss the play but struggle for clear-cut openings in the first half against a disciplined and physical Hamburg side, who even stole into the lead on the hour when Ivica Olic netted after an uncharacteristic Lucio howler.

Munich were level just six minutes later after sub Franck Ribery set up Ze Roberto, but despite a flurry of chances in a rousing finish, the Reds were unable to make the breakthrough and saw insult added to injury when Van Bommel received his marching orders for dissent in stoppage time.

In with the new

True to his publicly announced policy of rotating his squad to cope with a potential 24 more matches this term, Ottmar Hitzfeld made five changes to the side which swept past Aberdeen on Thursday.

It was a case of new faces all round at full-back where Christian Lell and Philipp Lahm came in for Willy Sagnol and Marcell Jansen, with Ze Roberto and Bastian Schweinsteiger restored to the midfield in place of youngsters Andi Ottl and Toni Kroos. The final switch saw Miro Klose back in the side at Lukas Podolski’s expense, but Hitzfeld opted to hold Ribery in reserve for the time being.

HSV boss Huub Stevens similarly named half-fit superstar Rafael van der Vaart among his substitutes, but started with no fewer than three former Bayern men in his ranks, namely enforcer David Jarolim, midfielder Piotr Trochowski and striker Paolo Guerrero.

First-half stalemate

Once referee Lutz Wagner had whistled play underway on a pleasantly springlike afternoon in Munich, the sides with the meanest defences in the league spent the first quarter of the match feeling each other out, with no quarter given or asked at either end.

Frank Rost was the busier of the keepers, although the HSV shot-stopper could have done little about Ze’s deflected shot or Luca Toni’s header from a Hamit Alintop cross as the leaders created the only early chances worthy of note.

Olic, Guerrero and Nigel de Jong all loosed off speculative efforts for the visitors, but none came as close as Mark van Bommel’s swerving drive five minutes before the interval. But the robust and well-organised Hamburg rearguard otherwise held firm and the sides turned round with the game deadlocked at 0-0.

Goal apiece on the hour

Guerrero’s snapshot forced a first meaningful save from Oliver Kahn and Lell had a decent shout for a penalty waved aside as the tempo increased after the restart, before Ze Roberto starred at both ends, clearing an Olic cross from the danger zone and rifling just wide of Rost’s goal in the next move.

Klose so nearly capitalised on centre-half Joris Mathijsen’s first error of the match, but just as the Reds seemed poised to strike, Jarolim dispossessed Lucio on the hour and played in Olic for the striker to calmly slot home his tenth goal of the season and hand the visitors a shock lead.

Hitzfeld reacted immediately by bringing on Ribery for the ineffective Schweinsteiger, and the France star was in the thick of the action at once, slipping a loose ball back into the danger area after Lell’s energetic thrust into the box for Ze to slot into the empty net and level after 66 minutes.

Van Bommel off in frantic finish

Podolski replaced Klose for the last quarter of an hour, and Rost was soon diving to smother at Toni’s feet before Van der Vaart finally appeared in place of the HSV goalscorer for the final ten minutes. Toni had the ball in the net only to be pulled back for an offence and then saw Rost brilliantly deny his close-range effort as Bayern pressed for a late winner, but Van Bommel’s completely unnecessary sending-off and associated ban capped an ultimately disappointing afternoon for the league leaders.

Bayern Munich - Hamburg SV 1-1 (H-T: 0-0)

Bayern Munich:		Kahn - Lell, Lucio, van Buyten, Lahm - van Bommel, Zé Roberto, Hamit Altintop, Schweinsteiger (Ribery 61) – Klose (Podolski 74), Toni
Hamburg SV:		Rost - Demel, Reinhardt, Mathijsen, Benjamin – Jarolim (Boateng 82), de Jong, Trochowski, Kompany, Olic (Van der Vaart 78) – Guerrero (Zidan 86)
Referee:		Lutz Wagner
Spectators:		69.000 (capacity)
Goals:		0-1 Olic (60), 1-1 Ze Roberto (66)
Yellow Cards:		Lell / Jarolim, Kompany, Guerrero, Boateng
Yellow/Red Cards:		Van Bommel (90, dissent)

[Oliver_Kahn]

Only saw the match from the 30th minute, first half was ok but we couldn't create any clear cut chances, Schweinsteiger and Klose should not start for Bayern, really!

Agreed with Trim, as soon as Ribery came on, we played much better. HSV fought well and deserved their point, we should have played better than this, considering how good of an opportunity this was to extend our lead to 6 pts.

This is not the first time Lucio does something like this, anyone remembers the match vs Schalke ?
Lucio should stop thinking he is the white Pele!

And van Bommel is a fucking retard, that first yellow card was stupid enough (no one gets booked on the 91st min ffs!) but then his gesture was really uncalled for. Is this the player you want as our captain ? Seriously...

Podolski proved that atm he's a better option and he HAS TO START in our next match, Klose has really gone down. Even Schlaudraff might be a better option..

And yes, the ref screwed us over.. what a surprise eh...

[Eric]

Well I had a fun game, but for different reasons than the game itself....

First of all Mvb got 2 yellows that's a one game ban he will not get more than this. Ze was absolute class again.
Polid did again make 10 times more in the game than Klose in his 74 mins. Time to bench the guy.

And i agree the ref was horrible. He got most fouls wrong in my eyes, but there SURE was not a penalty in it for us. But that asshole Jarolim, I hate that guy so much. every little contact and it is like you kill him. Biggest showman in the whole league and the refs buy it every time. He's maybe the player i hate the most in the whole league

Oh and yeah lucio fucked up really bad

[LAF]

What has happened to Schwiensteiger and Klose? wow! Both contributed nothing.

Lucio's mistake is why I've never rated him World-class. A risk he didn't have to make but his silly piece of self-indulgence cost you big time.

Hamburg defended deep and did well, up until the mighty Ribery came on and changed the game.

BTW, why wasn't vDv playing? Has he fallen out with the coach or was he not suited to the system?

Another good game in the Bundesliga. Other than Serie A, it's easily becoming my favourite league to watch.

[Oliver_Kahn]

Originally Posted by LAF

What has happened to Schwiensteiger and Klose? wow! Both contributed nothing.

Lucio's mistake is why I've never rated him World-class. A risk he didn't have to make but his silly piece of self-indulgence cost you big time.

Hamburg defended deep and did well, up until the mighty Ribery came on and changed the game.

BTW, why wasn't vDv playing? Has he fallen out with the coach or was he not suited to the system?

Another good game in the Bundesliga. Other than Serie A, it's easily becoming my favourite league to watch.

VdV was returning from an injury, same situation as Ribery, that is why both were on the bench.

[YaFCBoy]

Aside from the draw, and poor play from Klose, it was great to see Ribery back and looking good.
Ze Roberto is still looking ageless, and I was surprised to see Lell making some good plays.
Everything has been said for Lucio.

IMHO, I think it's the Schweinsteiger-Klose partnership that ruins both of their games. One brings down the other. When Podolski was playing with Schweini on the left, things seemed fine. With Ribery back, it doesn't really make a difference, but I genuinely feel like Schweinstieger (regardless of my sig proving bias) has what it takes to start. He has shown signs of greatness recently, and I'd give him 1-2 games back on the right while benching Altintop.
If it doesn't work, let him be a sub.
I just think he's been heating up and should be given the shot to give himself a permanent starting role...

And yes, I'm a HUGE optimist.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by LAF

BTW, why wasn't vDv playing? Has he fallen out with the coach or was he not suited to the system?

Another good game in the Bundesliga. Other than Serie A, it's easily becoming my favourite league to watch.

As Miguel said. VdV was injured and just started training on friday. He also missed the uefa cup game and the last 2 bundesliga games.

And yeah I keep bugging my friends to watch some Bundesliga on gol.tv.
It's the league with the highest goal rate in europe with almost 3 goals per game after the dutch league and is by far leading in average attendance (almost 40.000 per game on average in the 18 stadiums !!!). And that's the main factor here. If you play in front of 70k in MUnich or 90k in Dortmund they just have to attack.

It's really insane here is the average attendance in the 2nd (!!!!!) Bundesliga

1 1. FC Köln 42.282
2 Bor. Mönchengladbach 38.378
3 TSV 1860 München 37.582
4 1. FC Kaiserslautern 26.791

An average of 17.780. compare that to serie A's 21.786......

[Munchen Minded]

I have to add my 2 cents -- as I agree that Klose and Schweini were nothing today. Again, another example where Poldi could have played either of these two positions!!! Also, Lucio may need a break -- we should give Breno a chance. I felt like the big idiot in the whole match is Hitzfeld -- he keeps giving Klose and Schweini a chance and they just aren't up for it -- bench both for a few games. Give Poldi and Schlaudraff more chances. I thought Lell was pretty good, but I would have gone with Jansen left and Lahm right. Once again Ze Roberto showed how important he is, as well as Ribery coming on for the assist. Toni was always dangerous. Nonetheless. it will take Werder two wins while Bayern would have to lose twice as well for Bayern to be overcome -- but lets hope Bayern don't keep getting complacent!!! Damn, I see so many other bundesliga teams who are getting their teams pumped up to beat Bayern, and all bayern do is just show up to games -- they don't do much unless the pressure is on them to do so, like the second leg Aberdeen game. So going back to what I said, I think Hitzfeld is the big loser in this whole thing, and needs to start opening his eyes. It reminds me when he was criticized in the first place of how football is not math. I guess Bayern also want to beat Munich 1860, and weren't too focused to win against HSV. Oh well. I wonder how Klinsmann would have done it - and if he would be more successful. I guess we'll see...

[puppy]

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