Why do young talented players at Bayern never improve ?

[Eric]

This is a thing i would really like to hear your opinion on guys...

It has been bothering me for years now. Why do players at Bayern never make that last step to world class ?

The biggest examples are Poldi and Schweini or a Deisler, Santa Cruz and so on. The list is long...
Back in the world cup they both were at a similar Level as Christiano Ronaldo, Fabregas, Rooney or Messi. Maybe not just as good but sure not far off. And what has happened since then ? They both have stagnated at their level or even grown worse where all of the above have grown into the best players in the world in the last 18 months. There are a lot more examples. I have the impression that if players are not already world class like Ribery , Toni they can not make this step with us... I mean look at Santa Cruz. Away from Bayern and he is a raw gem again that produces

What are the reasons ? It works with Bremen or Hamburg. see diego or vdv. hell they even turned sanogo into a scoring machine

- Is it the training ? Do they train wrong with not enough tactics to never make that step
- Do they not get the confidence and 100 % support they need to play their best?
- Is the pressure from the media and our big three too big ?
- Is the bundesliga just no god enough ? Do they have a lot higher competition in other leages taht pushes them to the fullest ?
- In other clubs young players like Ronaldo, Fabregas, Rooney just play even if they have a bad game. Here to quote Poldi: "You score two, get early subbed in the next game and then you sit out two more games". That's a big factor i think

What can it be ? Or am i totally wrong ? I'm afraid what will become of Kroos and Breno.

Don't we all agree that if Poldi would go to Bremen he would score 8-9 goals in the 17 matches ? If Schweini went to Arsenal he could become a star in England ?? Idk something is wrong

[Dragoen]

It can't be the pressure because the pressure in London or Barcelona is even higher than in Munich. If the training were so bad then why is Bayern always one of the top four teams in the league?
Ok now to every single player
Podolski: He simply doesn't get enough chances to prove himself.
Schweinsteiger: he gets too much chances he should be put on the bench for a month or two he might be motivated thrpugh this because he is just lazy at the moment.
Santa Cruz: It's lika a curse was laying upon him while he was in Munich.
Deisler: He has psychological problems wich are not that much related with Bayern.
Dos Santos: Just bad scouting

I think the young players should get more chances to prove themselves like C.Ronaldo and Rooney got at ManU. I think that's another reason why Klinsmann was picked as coach.

There is also a player wich developed good and that's Lahm. Although he made his breakthrough in his loan time in Stuttgart.
Maybe that's another possibility for Podolski to be loaned toManCity or somewhere else where he can proove himself.

[Pupesh]

Originally Posted by Dragoen

Podolski: He simply doesn't get enough chances to prove himself.

I disagree. How many chances did he get last season? Too many.

But think about Lahm, Hargreaves, and now Lell.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Pupesh

I disagree. How many chances did he get last season? Too many.

But think about Lahm, Hargreaves, and now Lell.

ok. As mentioned Lahm made his big leap when he was 2 1/2 years at stuttgart. He broke into the NT back then. And to be honest I have not really seen him well last season. He was not bad but a step forward in his progress ? rather one back...

Hargreaves was 1999/2000 and only played 1/4th of his games for us in the last 2 seasons. So much for that....

And Lell ??? Are you kidding me ? He just played cause willi and jansen are injured. And world class or even international class ? don't think so

[Pupesh]

Wow, that was pretty intense. You don't like me, do you?

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Pupesh

Wow, that was pretty intense. You don't like me, do you?

you must have read that one wrong. If you misunderstood me i apologize: Might be i was a bit pissed while watching how phoenix beat the lakers tonight.

Anyway. Hargreaves was a good example. He made it at Bayern. But still do you really feel he is in a league with the top 10 players in the world ?

I do not doubt that we have a good youth system, kross schweini and co are alll big talents. My point was that they never make this final step at Bayern to become really dominant players. I just can not see them raise their level once they have an international class, yes. but no world class...