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Old 11-12-2007, 08:48 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Wonder what Becks would think of England hiring Capello though!
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Old 11-12-2007, 10:31 AM   #62 (permalink)
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The FA is apparently ignoring a huge marketing opportunity by not selling McClaren's umbrella along with all of the other tat they are pushing on their website. Perhaps people can send them an email suggesting that they are missing out on a huge market in Croatia. After all, they have to find the money to pay their third manager somewhere.

Has anyone noticed England teams tend to like to use the red and blue colours of their badge (you will remember that the lions are blue and the roses red) for marketing purposes (see also the cricket team's one day uniforms and training gear), my guess is that they think it is more appealing than red and white.
Yep.

A few years ago, when Arsenal changed/modernised their bage they introduced navy blue into it (despite it being the colour of their local rivals); IMO that move only makes sense for marketing purposes - an excuse to release line of navy blue training tops, coats, hats, etc.


Back to talking about the England manager it looks like Capello will be getting it now. I'd prefer a coach who favours a more attacking style of football but of all the candidates IMO Capello is by far the best man for the job.
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capello for england??..i some how dont think its gonna work.now if its lippi thats different.but i think he is gunning the milan job wth ancelloti nearing the firing zone.

im supporting my other fellow countrymen than capello.
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Im quite optimistic about Capello. I think he is the man for the job. People say he is a negative manager, but he has won trophies and given the state of England's strikers, i doubt he would be able to mould this all singing all dancing attacking side that easily anyway. At least he has a way of playing, and more often than not he gets results.
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Old 12-12-2007, 06:19 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Capello definitely likes players who graft and can be seen to be working for the collective good (it was after all the nature of his own game), but that doesn't mean that he will only employ destroyers or is ideologically opposed to fancy Dans. He often found room for Totti, Montella and Batistuta to play together in his Roma scudetto team, for instance, and neither Nedved nor Del Piero are particularly known for getting stuck in. Although Nedved is known for nasty late challenges. That is a rather different thing.

I think it would be very interesting to see what he does with England, and which player (if any) would become his Emerson/Cannavaro-equivalent talisman. He might not feel as much of a need for one in a national team job. I can see him being rather partial to Hargreaves, like he was with Mahamadou Diarra, actually.
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Capello definitely likes players who graft and can be seen to be working for the collective good (it was after all the nature of his own game), but that doesn't mean that he will only employ destroyers or is ideologically opposed to fancy Dans. He often found room for Totti, Montella and Batistuta to play together in his Roma scudetto team, for instance, and neither Nedved nor Del Piero are particularly known for getting stuck in. Although Nedved is known for nasty late challenges. That is a rather different thing.

I think it would be very interesting to see what he does with England, and which player (if any) would become his Emerson/Cannavaro-equivalent talisman. He might not feel as much of a need for one in a national team job. I can see him being rather partial to Hargreaves, like he was with Mahamadou Diarra, actually.

i think Hargreaves is a very important player for England. if this last qualifying campaign has taught us anything it has taught us the need for solidity in the middle of the park, Hargreaves provides that better than Barry or anyone else but we have a few promising projects in the U21's- Tom Huddlestone, Mark Noble, Michael Johnson- hopefully these players will come on well and give us some excellent options in midfield.
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i think Hargreaves is a very important player for England. if this last qualifying campaign has taught us anything it has taught us the need for solidity in the middle of the park, Hargreaves provides that better than Barry or anyone else but we have a few promising projects in the U21's- Tom Huddlestone, Mark Noble, Michael Johnson- hopefully these players will come on well and give us some excellent options in midfield.

IMO Mark Noble is a good prospect...but i think he'll fancy himself as a playmaker though.

Huddleston has a touch of class. He's still pretty raw, but if he can develop his positioning and technical play he may be one for the future.

I like Hargreaves, and i was one of the few to support him during the Sven era. He's a grafter and i think he would compliment Gerrard well in the centre.

Johnson, IMO, is a good talent. However, i think it's too early for him. (I also think he's not that much of a defensive player).

I think the future is bright for English football. There is a lot of talent coming through in all positions. I'll start a thread in the England forum. Chao
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Hold on!

The one thing we can't do is what happened when Sven was appointed...and that is for everyone to think, oh this foreign legend is here he's gonna single handedly make England unbeatable.

That's not going to happen! What will happen I believe and hope is that there will be a coach who hopefully doesn't give a damn what the press or other prominent "experts" say in public and does things the way he sees right and the way that has brought him lots of success for about 30 years of managing!

It also doesn't matter whether he wants to play 5 strikers attacking gung-ho football or hang on defensively and grab a 1-0 winner against Andorra at home...he needs to build a TEAM! The English national eleven hasn't been a team in ages, only for a few individual games where other factors played a role i.e revenge etc. No matter what the players say, there are some huge egos in the national squad and that is what Capello needs to sort out. I have no worries that he will pick a good team and choose the correct tactics but will he be able to form a team spririt?

Cause no matter what all the "experts" say about foreigners in England, lack of quality English players have or whatever else, it is always the best TEAMS that are successful at tournaments as has been shown all the time in every tournament by "better" and "worse" individual groups of players, i.e. Denmark, Greece, Germany, Portugal, South Korea or even Italy.
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Old 13-12-2007, 08:16 PM   #69 (permalink)
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The point that you guys are missing is that Capello will make things simple, and bring back everything to the basics. Meaning a more defensive minded England for the most part. If players don't listen to him, and it doesn't matter WHO they are, they won't play.

Capello is a control freak, he needs absolute control...all the time. He will also have a field day with your media.
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Jager, It seems that Capello is probably the new England manager. What do you expect him to do to correct the problems with our national team? You probably know him better than i do, so what can we expect?

I he the right man to get England winning in major tournaments? If yes, Why? If No, Who is and Why?

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Lets not wory about winning tournaments, lets worry about having good tournaments, there can only be one winner.

So what he will do? He'll make sure that everybody knows where they are post to be on the pitch. Italians stress positional play above all else. I imagine he'll get that straightened out first.

But like I said, his football is not pretty, but he gets results. Real Madrid let him go, after he won the season..why? They didn't like his football...go figure?

I think you guys have to understand that like others have said, you don't have the talent pool yet, to compete with top nations, so I think Capello will work to your strengths, and for this reason, I feel he is the best option for you.

His type of football doesn't rely on individual efforts or star players or elaborate games plans or formations.

His football is simple, yet affective. As long as the footballers buy into it, I don't see you having any issues.
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I think you guys have to understand that like others have said, you don't have the talent pool yet, to compete with top nations, so I think Capello will work to your strengths, and for this reason, I feel he is the best option for you.

But that's exactly not the point when it comes to being successful! It's not about the best individuals it's about the best all round team, as in team spirit and playing to each others strenghs.

Best example:

Semifinalists from the last two World cups and Euros:

France, Italy, Germany, Portugal, Brasil, South korea, Turkey, Greece, Czechs, Holland

From those teams I'd imagine most people would agree that apart from France, Italy and Brasil England's individual players are as good as or better than the rest but still they never managed a semi final. For me it just proves the fact that on individual talent England definetely has the players to get to a semi final but what is lacking is the team and that is what Capello's main objective will have to be not playing nice football, or having more English players in the PL (short term at least).
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France, Italy, Germany, Portugal, Brasil, South korea, Turkey, Greece, Czechs, Holland

From those teams I'd imagine most people would agree that apart from France, Italy and Brasil England's individual players are as good as or better than the rest but still they never managed a semi final. For me it just proves the fact that on individual talent England definetely has the players to get to a semi final but what is lacking is the team and that is what Capello's main objective will have to be not playing nice football, or having more English players in the PL (short term at least).


Very good point, and I can't argue with that. Though I think your talent is concentrated in the middle of the pitch.

We basically agree, but I didn't state my opinion correctly.

Capello will make them into a team, that is the key word. Against Croatia, you were outcoached, outplayed and beaten.

There was no defense, you left too much space.

Capello will fix this, very few coaches will out coach him.

But like I said, at first, I can see the media and him fighting constantly.
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FA fork out for Fabio appointment

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The FA board have approved the appointment of Fabio Capello and the Italian is set to sign a contract worth an astonishing £6.5million a year.

Final discussions on the details of Capello's contract will take place on Friday, but sources close to the FA board say they have approved a deal worth £4million annually - after tax.

That will place Capello's earnings on a par with England captain John Terry's £130,000-a-week, and shows the FA are willing to spend big to secure the 'world-class' coach they have been looking for.

By contrast, Sven-Goran Eriksson was on a deal worth £4million a year and Steve McClaren on £2.5million - but the failure to qualify for Euro 2008 cost the FA at least £12million and probably considerably more in terms of damage to the England brand.

It is understood Capello wants to bring three or four fellows Italians with him for his coaching staff, including his trusted aide Franco Baldini as his assistant. The 61-year-old has also expressed a desire to have English coaches as part of his set-up as well, and will decide who these should be at a later date.

Contrary to some reports however, Baldini will not fulfil the role of the FA's technical director.

FA executives spent the day in talks with Capello's advisors going through the details of the contract, and those will continue tomorrow but the deal is all but done.

FA director of communications Adrian Bevington said: "Discussions have continued throughout the day between the FA and Fabio Capello's advisors.

"The FA board has also today approved Capello's appointment as England manager subject to the successful conclusion of these contract negotiations.

"These will continue tomorrow. I want to stress that there are no problems and that we are going through the necessary process to reach a successful conclusion."

The FA board approved the appointment through a conference call, although at least one member felt the decision could have waited until next week's full board meeting on December 19, given the size of the contract.

FA chief executive Brian Barwick is keen to get the deal sewn up however and sees little to gain from delaying the decision. Barwick is also comfortable with Capello's plans for his coaching staff, especially since the Italian himself proposed having English coaches as part of his set-up.

There will not be an immediate announcement of who these might be - candidates suggested have included Stuart Pearce and Alan Shearer - as it will be Capello who chooses them.

Baldini, who has worked with Capello at his former clubs Real Madrid, AC Milan and Juventus, told the BBC: "Capello will be England coach for sure.

"I understand the FA has, in principle, said 'yes' to me doing this job as well. If I do not, I think Capello will still be England coach, but maybe he will be a little less comfortable."

Capello described the England job as a "beautiful challenge" following McClaren's departure in November, and has been given the backing of a number of senior figures in football.

Eriksson believes the FA "cannot go wrong" with Capello.

He said: "I have known Fabio Capello for many years. I was his opponent in Serie A for 10 years.

"He is a very good man and manager. His record speaks very clear. He has won titles in Italy.

"When you talk about that level (international) and mention Mourinho, Lippi, Capello, Ferguson and Wenger you cannot go wrong as they are all good managers.

"Of course Capello will treat the players right. But all the people I have told you about can do it.

"If you are winning big titles you always have big stars in your team. Capello is one of the best managers you can find."

Capello has only limited English but Eriksson added: "That won't be a problem. It certainly wasn't for me as I spoke to him in Italian!"
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