Rooney, Lennon & co. to the U21s?

[kyan]

I was listening to a podcast the other week and I think it was Marcotti who said, the current English players have never tasted any success at any international level, so, he said players like Rooney, Lennon and the other U21 players in the senior squad should be called up to the U21 squad for the upcoming Championship because with these players, the squad should have a very good chance at qualifying.

I quite like the idea, although I doubt Mcclaren will indulge it. It could be good to teach the players what it's like to win in an England shirt and it could help mould the England team of the future if they start off as a successful youth team.

Opinions?

[Scholes18]

I'd rather not, I want Wayne to enjoy his summer then come back to a proper pre season.

Fuck England, this is Manchester United.

It won't happen, not with one of our players anyway, Sir Alex would be furious about it.

[DavidMc]

Originally Posted by kyan

I was listening to a podcast the other week and I think it was Marcotti who said, the current English players have never tasted any success at any international level, so, he said players like Rooney, Lennon and the other U21 players in the senior squad should be called up to the U21 squad for the upcoming Championship because with these players, the squad should have a very good chance at qualifying.

I quite like the idea, although I doubt Mcclaren will indulge it. It could be good to teach the players what it's like to win in an England shirt and it could help mould the England team of the future if they start off as a successful youth team.

Opinions?

Must admit, it does sound like a good idea. But many people see Rooney as THE England attack. Plus, there isnt anyone better than Rooney in the forward line. I understand what you are saying, and it does sound good. But McLaren wouldnt go for it because ultimately, it could cost him his job, and i dont think the majority of fans would go for it.

[Sven]

I Don't think Rooney should, Richards on the other hand yes , take him back there, though he is injured,

[MUFC]

As long as Rooney dont go its good, rooney is a born winner in a red shirt

[russe||]

It is an interesting idea. We have a fucking shite record in U21 tournaments while teams like Italy have had quite alot of success in U21 competitions.

[Mighty T.A.L.]

I think Sir Alex will be happy for this suggestion.

[Lennon Saviour of E]

Originally Posted by kyan

I was listening to a podcast the other week and I think it was Marcotti who said, the current English players have never tasted any success at any international level, so, he said players like Rooney, Lennon and the other U21 players in the senior squad should be called up to the U21 squad for the upcoming Championship because with these players, the squad should have a very good chance at qualifying.

We've already qualified. France didn't.

But yeah it was mooted a while ago. It's more likely a load of current u21s will pull out though.

[MUMUFMUFCOK!]

Fuck that.

[D-Kin]

Originally Posted by russe||

It is an interesting idea. We have a fucking shite record in U21 tournaments while teams like Italy have had quite alot of success in U21 competitions.

And it's no coincidence that every player that won the WC last summer came through the U21's.

[unitedfan]

Italy and England have very different coaching mentalitys though.

In England, you see players coming to their prime very early on, as early as 20 in Michael Owen's case. Players are encouraged more at a younger age in England. Now that's all well and good (the old, "if you're good enough, you're old enough" philosophy is a good one), untill it goes to far, and those young players are thrown into matches twice every week, and not trained adequately for these circumstances. As a result, England produce more players who skip U21 level and go onto the Senior squad.

Italt, on the other hand, often take a mentality of players under 22 similar to that the English take on players under 17: they're not ready, simple as. They focus on readying the youngsters for the rigours of Senior football, later on. They are used sparingly in matches, to keep them fit for the good of prolonging their careers, beyond 29, where some English clubs (Arsenal comes to mind) would just chuck out that player. So, as a result, Italy produce players, through the system, going through U21 level and then, often very, steadily on to Senior level. Think Luca Toni, getting through U21s and then standing around for a while before beng accepted as a regular for the NT.

All in all, it means Italy ultimately end up with more quality players in each position than the English because, while the English are putting up their youngsters and then burning them out early whilst neglecting the U21s and older talents (and couldhavebeen talents), the Italians are reaping the rewards of patience by steadily churning out balanced, brilliant talents from the "system," neglecting no older talents, and getting the best, albeit eventually, out of each individual. Italians then get more competition for each position in the squad.

The English are currently content to blame this on the amount of foreign players in their top-flight league, an idea which has spread very far, it seems.

[Mighty T.A.L.]

Don't the u-21 mostly play the day before the senior team plays?They can't play 2 matches on 2 days...

[unitedfan]

Originally Posted by Mighty T.A.L.

Don't the u-21 mostly play the day before the senior team plays?They can't play 2 matches on 2 days...

Isn't this proposition for the U21 tournament - not the friendlies?

[azzurri]

Originally Posted by unitedfan

Italy and England have very different coaching mentalitys though.

In England, you see players coming to their prime very early on, as early as 20 in Michael Owen's case. Players are encouraged more at a younger age in England. Now that's all well and good (the old, "if you're good enough, you're old enough" philosophy is a good one), untill it goes to far, and those young players are thrown into matches twice every week, and not trained adequately for these circumstances. As a result, England produce more players who skip U21 level and go onto the Senior squad.

Italt, on the other hand, often take a mentality of players under 22 similar to that the English take on players under 17: they're not ready, simple as. They focus on readying the youngsters for the rigours of Senior football, later on. They are used sparingly in matches, to keep them fit for the good of prolonging their careers, beyond 29, where some English clubs (Arsenal comes to mind) would just chuck out that player. So, as a result, Italy produce players, through the system, going through U21 level and then, often very, steadily on to Senior level. Think Luca Toni, getting through U21s and then standing around for a while before beng accepted as a regular for the NT.

All in all, it means Italy ultimately end up with more quality players in each position than the English because, while the English are putting up their youngsters and then burning them out early whilst neglecting the U21s and older talents (and couldhavebeen talents), the Italians are reaping the rewards of patience by steadily churning out balanced, brilliant talents from the "system," neglecting no older talents, and getting the best, albeit eventually, out of each individual. Italians then get more competition for each position in the squad.

The English are currently content to blame this on the amount of foreign players in their top-flight league, an idea which has spread very far, it seems.

Thats actually a very good point. Never thought of it that way.

[Costinha]

Yeah, good point unitedfan.Ashame you are a united fan or else I would have rep you.