England getting destroyed - Page 3 - TalkSoccer

CantonaStillGod · 17-08-2005, 11:15 PM

Eriksson completely changed the way the national team plays, if you want to go back to the days of Hoddle and Keegan then fine, call for him to be sacked but for me it's a much more professional establishment than after Euro 2000. England always expects but at leas they have a right to at the moment, why anyone thought we were going to win ANYTHING in 98 and 2000 I will never understand because we had a shockingly badly run team.

BTW in my opinion Beckham was one of the most comitted and best players for England tonight, as they pointed out on MOTD Cole just looked like he could not be arsed and if he played like that in a qualifier he'd be dropped. Why we're mentioning James is beyond me, if I was him I'd be so ****ing embarassed of my 'career' I'd reject the call-ups. His excuses were just humiliating.

Svens Ladies · 18-08-2005, 12:47 AM

i like Sven and have done always i bet you went saying this when we beat Argentina and Germany it's a friendly big deal he made changes and they dint work. What was god that come out the game you have to look at:

Never play David James again!
Rooney looked sharp

**andy villa** · 18-08-2005, 04:19 AM

so what amazing changes did we make at half time that didnt work?!?

did we bring on 5 NEW uncapped players and change the formation around to try something completley different?!?

or did we swap a couple of usual england players around that have never done anything for us and stick with the same formation that we had in the first half?!?

all this friendly has done is tell us that david james is fcuking useless and that sven gormless is just as clueless as robbie fowler is painting him to be.....

we already know that james is fcuking sh!te and that rooney is quality....

we dont need a 4-1 defeat to denmark to tell us that...

**kennethlindheim** · 18-08-2005, 09:06 AM

Same old England under Sven. You go behind and there's no plan B.

**russe||** · 18-08-2005, 09:07 AM

Exactly andy.

With a night to calm down i can look on this more realistically - it was a pointless wastes of time. The stupid timeing of the friendly ment the players just didn't want to be there.

However in the 1st half when we put out our strongest team we played alright (considering it is the start of the season) it was the 2nd half when we brought on the likes of Glen Johnson and David James that things went to shít.

The players not wanting to be there although prbably the reason for such a lackluster performance it isn't an acceptable one - James should do the honourable thing and retire from international football now, if Lampard ever puts in so little effort while wearing an England shirt he should follow James, as should Ashley Cole and Rio Ferdinand.

Oh and Carragher was awful.

hanuma · 18-08-2005, 06:35 PM

not really carra's fault....he was launched into a team that had no spirit and he had that idiot ferdinand lolloping around like a stroke victim.

there were some ****e performances last night....but some good things to take from it were;

442 doesnt work with becks on the right
terry and rio is prolly the best first choice
gerrard cannot play the holding role
james shouldnt play again unless desperate

**russe||** · 18-08-2005, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by hanuma

442 doesnt work with becks on the right

It would if he stayed on the right.

hanuma · 18-08-2005, 06:48 PM

he aint a right winger anymore...if he ever was.

The Fratton Roar · 18-08-2005, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by hanuma

he aint a right winger anymore...if he ever was.

Exactly. Beckham at his peak was a very good player, but Ferguson threw away any chance he ever had of becoming a great player when he moved him out wide.

SWP should start the next game wide right for England. Beckham's crosses from deep require someone with very good aerial ability to get on the end of them - we don't have that. SWP's crosses, from the byline, give smaller players a far better chance of getting on the end of them. Plus SWP scores more goals than Becks, and John Terry is a better leader. Sven's never-ending love for him is the only thing keeping Becks in the England team at the moment.

MUMUFMUFCOK! · 18-08-2005, 08:01 PM

What? Beckham has always been used as a right winger, unless you followed his acadamy career closely I don't know how you could judge his ability as a central midfielder.

He is/was much better on the right where his crossing ability can best be utilised. He is poorly disciplined, particularly for England, where he seems to get the impression that being captain means he can choose where he wants to play. He is no more than average in the middle but on the right he is/was magnificent and very effective.

But meeting skeletor was the day it all started to go wrong.

hanuma · 19-08-2005, 07:43 PM

if beckham was told to play the holding role like pirlo does he would love it and england would benefit.

MUMUFMUFCOK! · 19-08-2005, 09:01 PM

He'd love it. I wouldn't. He is not a holding midfielder.

**russe||** · 19-08-2005, 09:07 PM

If Beckham did what he was told and played where he was put (on the right) England would benefit.

hanuma · 20-08-2005, 02:58 PM

not really....our central midfield isnt working still....

there is nothing to say beckham wouldnt be better than pirlo in a holding role.

The Fratton Roar · 20-08-2005, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MUMUFMUFCOK!

What? Beckham has always been used as a right winger, unless you followed his acadamy career closely I don't know how you could judge his ability as a central midfielder.

He is/was much better on the right where his crossing ability can best be utilised. He is poorly disciplined, particularly for England, where he seems to get the impression that being captain means he can choose where he wants to play. He is no more than average in the middle but on the right he is/was magnificent and very effective.

But meeting skeletor was the day it all started to go wrong.

He started as a central midfielder back in the mid-90s for United - when Kanchelskis was still at the club he played the few games he did appear in at central midfield, then IIRC Poborsky and Jordi Cruyff were signed, meaning he didn't play wide right until both of those two had left or been dropped, and Scholes and Butt had emerged as players who could play 30 games a season in the centre. Remember how many goals he used to score from long range, compared to how few he scores from there these days? That's because he played central and got a better sight of goal more frequently.