Henry: Guardiola Wants Me To Stay

[barracuda]

Originally Posted by lionel

3-4-3 isn't much different from 3-3-4 when ronaldinho and messi can go a bit back and help...

3-4-3 and 3-3-4 are not even close to eachother if played properly, because in a 3-4-3 (in Barca's case) the 3 up front is Ronnie-Eto'o-Messi and which allows for the midfield wingers to assume more defensive duties. In a 3-3-4 you have no defensive wing coverage at all.

And by the way, you lost to Liverpool overall and you only played that way because you had to win that game. It was a high risk formation for a must-win game. To me it's not sustainable, but as usual I might be wrong.

[kyan]

Besides, in that game v Liverpool where Barca won they were still outplayed and if Liverpool had any competent goalscorers Barca would have paid...

i'd love to see Barcelona try that formation in Europe, I guarantee it will fail, which should make the competition easier for the rest of us...

[skeeta]

I think that it is more likely that Eto'o rather than Ronaldinho would be the one to go. I consider this all to be in the relatively early posturing stage at the moment. There are too many moving pieces, including what happens this weekend, whether Rijkaard stays, how Eto'o feels about playing with Henry (and Barca in general), how much money Milan actually have to spend (I assume you realise by now that Silvio is not a reliable source on that subject), and whether anyone else is willing to pay silly money for one or more players.

Let's wait and see.

Welcome to the Silly Season, Folks.

[BlackNess]

Originally Posted by barracuda

3-4-3 and 3-3-4 are not even close to eachother if played properly, because in a 3-4-3 (in Barca's case) the 3 up front is Ronnie-Eto'o-Messi and which allows for the midfield wingers to assume more defensive duties. In a 3-3-4 you have no defensive wing coverage at all.

And by the way, you lost to Liverpool overall and you only played that way because you had to win that game. It was a high risk formation for a must-win game. To me it's not sustainable, but as usual I might be wrong.

lets wait and see what happens its not sure that Henrey is coming and eto'o is leaving !

[barracuda]

Originally Posted by BlackNess

lets wait and see what happens its not sure that Henrey is coming and eto'o is leaving !

Agreed I'm just saying that that IF Henry is coming and Eto'o is staying, someone else would have to leave and the formation would need to change.

[Diabolico]

Originally Posted by lionel

ronaldinho is best when he is free! when he has no orders..
just like last season.. when he played on the right, left & center.. he is a very smart player that always(mostly) finds the best spot to be on..
when you give ronaldinho orders ( e.g. the WC) he becomes a very not brilliant player.. very normal, let's say.

I completely agree. Ronaldinho gets stifled when he's forced into a specific role; to receive "the full Ronaldinho effect" you really need to give him total freedom to do what he wants. Otherwise, he becomes merely an OK player rather than a brilliant one.

As for Henry, based on recent rumors I do think Henry to Barca and Eto'o to Milan is something that may possibly happen. (Not saying it WILL happen, but it's very "realistic" as rumors go.) But as skeeta said, there are too many "if"s right now to call this one for sure. Milan's own striker situation, even aside of the money, has its own "moving pieces" in the form of Oliveira and Borriello: they seem poised to leave, and their leaving would make room for Eto'o at Milan and therefore Henry at Barca, but they've "seemed poised to leave" before and haven't.

[lionel]

henry to barca and eto'o to milan is great for me... I prefer henry!
but don't judge that henry and eto'o won't play at the same team! it's been 1 year now that everyone in barca is talking about henry.. and especially eto'o who almost every month said to people that he will be very glad if henry joins(it wasn't pretending, coz he said that more than 4 times). eto'o is a bit stupid, I know, but I'm sure he was thinking that he might lose his place because of henry.. and for eto'o, losing his place is like death! so there must be someone who told him they will play together, or something else we don't know...

I see you got mad because of my 3-3-4.. but how does real madrid play?
robinho , raul, ruud and higuain/reyes..
raul-->henry
ruud-->eto'o
robinho-->ronaldinho
higuain-->messi
IMO, even:beckham/guti-->ronaldinho/messi

so, if capello plays like this. who are we to say it's stupid?

[BlackNess]

Originally Posted by lionel

so, if capello plays like this. who are we to say it's stupid?

capello is stupid lool

[barracuda]

Originally Posted by lionel

so, if capello plays like this. who are we to say it's stupid?

I might be wrong, but Capello plays 442 more often then not. Now, you may call it a 424 because of how attacking the wingers are, but there are still wingbacks to cover.

[lionel]

Originally Posted by barracuda

I might be wrong, but Capello plays 442 more often then not. Now, you may call it a 424 because of how attacking the wingers are, but there are still wingbacks to cover.

I'm talking about something else now, not the 3-3-4... I offered a 4-2-4.. like capello's..

[Oliver_Kahn]

Raul, Robinho and Higuain, roam behind Nistelrooy, Madrid don't play with 2 men in the box

[lionel]

Originally Posted by Oliver_Kahn

Raul, Robinho and Higuain, roam behind Nistelrooy, Madrid don't play with 2 men in the box

henry doesn't play in the box..
he is an SS.
maybe in arsenal he was sometimes used as a first striker.. but if you go back to 98.. he played as SS with trezeguet in front of him.
IMO henry is better that way.
henry will play raul's role.

[kyan]

Originally Posted by lionel

henry to barca and eto'o to milan is great for me... I prefer henry!
but don't judge that henry and eto'o won't play at the same team! it's been 1 year now that everyone in barca is talking about henry.. and especially eto'o who almost every month said to people that he will be very glad if henry joins(it wasn't pretending, coz he said that more than 4 times). eto'o is a bit stupid, I know, but I'm sure he was thinking that he might lose his place because of henry.. and for eto'o, losing his place is like death! so there must be someone who told him they will play together, or something else we don't know...

Repeating something doesn't make it true... for example van Nistelrooy said on several occasions he wanted to retire at Man Utd at the age of 32, after the 5 year contract he signed 2 years ago at United had expired, that didn't happen...

Eto'o is confident in his own ability... and rightly so. also would u expect him to come to the media and start saying he was worried of losing his place to henry? that hardly shows much mental strength or confidence,

I see you got mad because of my 3-3-4.. but how does real madrid play?
robinho , raul, ruud and higuain/reyes..
raul-->henry
ruud-->eto'o
robinho-->ronaldinho
higuain-->messi
IMO, even:beckham/guti-->ronaldinho/messi

so, if capello plays like this. who are we to say it's stupid?

Real Madrid play something like:

---------------------RvN------------------------
-----------------Raul/Guti/Higuain------------
Robinho/Reyes--Diarra--Emerson/Gago--Beckham
Carlos--Cannavaro--Ramos--Salgado
----------------Casillas-----------------------

I don't see how that's a 3-3-4? and besides, even if it was, Real have Gago, Diarra AND Emerson, who are all better than Edmilson and Motta, who would probably not be chosen anyway because of Deco, Xavi and Iniesta. And Beckham does a lot more defensively than either Messi or Ronaldinho.

henry doesn't play in the box..
he is an SS.
maybe in arsenal he was sometimes used as a first striker.. but if you go back to 98.. he played as SS with trezeguet in front of him.
IMO henry is better that way.
henry will play raul's role.

Henry doesn't always play in the box but he is definitely not a SS, he's an out and out striker and is usually the furthest man forward for Arsenal, where he is most successful.

And 98 was 9 years ago, it's not the best way to judge a player's position. And even if that was true that he was/is an SS for France, he clearly plays better for Arsenal than France so it's not his best position.


[EDIT: dream all u want dude, I don't want to rain on ur parade, I just don't think it's sensible ]

[lionel]

Originally Posted by kyan

Repeating something doesn't make it true... for example van Nistelrooy said on several occasions he wanted to retire at Man Utd at the age of 32, after the 5 year contract he signed 2 years ago at United had expired, that didn't happen...

Eto'o is confident in his own ability... and rightly so. also would u expect him to come to the media and start saying he was worried of losing his place to henry? that hardly shows much mental strength or confidence,

today eto'o said he is "tired" of the talkings that he is going to leave... and he said he is staying, no matter what... if you don't believe that kind of talk, I don't know what you want.
(it's not like henry said he never talked to barca... it's another kind of speaking)

Real Madrid play something like:

---------------------RvN------------------------
-----------------Raul/Guti/Higuain------------
Robinho/Reyes--Diarra--Emerson/Gago--Beckham
Carlos--Cannavaro--Ramos--Salgado
----------------Casillas-----------------------

I don't see how that's a 3-3-4? and besides, even if it was, Real have Gago, Diarra AND Emerson, who are all better than Edmilson and Motta, who would probably not be chosen anyway because of Deco, Xavi and Iniesta. And Beckham does a lot more defensively than either Messi or Ronaldinho.

this season messi and ronaldinho were supposed to attack, as part of 4-3-3.. if they will be given orders to help with the midfield, they can make it.. and they surely can be more defensive than beckham.
and about the DMs.. barca are looking for another one.. and you forgot marquez who is a DM also..

Henry doesn't always play in the box but he is definitely not a SS, he's an out and out striker and is usually the furthest man forward for Arsenal, where he is most successful.

And 98 was 9 years ago, it's not the best way to judge a player's position. And even if that was true that he was/is an SS for France, he clearly plays better for Arsenal than France so it's not his best position.

it was my opinion that henry is better as a second striker..
and henry is just like rooney in the position(examples from your world ), he can be either alone in the attack, or with another striker.. and I'm sure you agree that rooney is better when he is a second striker.(wich doesn't say anything about henry.. but for me it's enough as a proof ).


the henry trade is not sure at all.. so I'll prefer if we postpone this discussion to until we're sure



* I'm happy about this discussion.. so if you have anything to say, say it