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Gerrard plays 2nd striker for Liverpool. Alonso sitting deep he is the one who gives him the ammunition plus there is another anchorman in Javier M. Why do you think Gerrard and Lampard cant play together because neither of em are displicined enough to sit back while one attacks and dont play the role at club level. Although they are both decent passers Carrick is used to playing from deep and doesnt look to play the killer pass everytime.

True Scholes does help alot with Carrick, but Carrick is a mighty fine passer of the ball. I watch Man Utd all the time live so I dont just watch 'highlights' as you put it.

Makalele was just an example. Obi / Essien or whoever plays defensive mid then.

I think if you've watched Carrick this season you will see he makes alot of vital tackles and interceptions.

I'm not saying he should be starting but he is part of the champions team, played in the champions league team thats got to the final. He's had a very good season. He's played in the midfield role more times than Hargreaves this season.

One think Carrick lacks for me is pace but his positional play tends to get him in good positions.

But its no suprise that you and sven dont rate him. He cant be as crap as you make him out to be when he's playing for the best club in the country and possible Europe.