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Originally Posted by Jager

Who caught you was some informant who taped the conversations. Being the major telephone company, its ridiculous to assume that they were Interati or who ever. They are public company with many employees. Unfortunately sometimes employees do things that are not authorise or good. Look at the banker in France for this.

a) Telecom Italia's President (b4 scandal) and majority shareholder pre and post calciogate was Tronchetti, who is Inter Milan's 2nd largest shareholder, an Inter director, and owner of Pirelli, Inter's sponsor. That's not all. Your beloved Moratti is also a board member at Telecom Italia, as is Carlo Orazio Buora, who is executive chairman at Telecom Italia as well as Inter Milan's vice president. Furthermore, Buora at the time was CEO of the Gazzetta Delle Sport, the paper that illegally leaked the transcripts GIVEN to them by Telecom Italia, which as shown above, is owned and run by the same ppl as Inter Milan. Furthermore, Buora is now president of the RCS Media group, which owns all the major sports papers in Italy, including Tuttosport which it recently bought, hence y none of this info is ever on the frontpage. Im not done. Guido Rossi, who used to sit on Inter Milan's board of directors for 4 years, was by some miracle appointed to lead the scandal. He resigned after Juve's fate was sealed to become Telecom Italia president. People already knew where his allegiances lied, but that was the icing on the cake.

b) It wasn't 1 person, it was dozens, including managerial heads of certain departments, who are set to testify against Moratti and Tronchetti in the spring. By virture of them spying on calcio related figures implicates Inter Milan (if its owner's and board members wasn't enough proof to begin with)

c) Telecom Italia, a non-governmental company, illegally spied on Juventus as well as hundreds of other's. If it was the government than fine, they have the legal authority, but it wasn't. It was an Inter Milan parent company, who's investor's and board members mirror each other.

Moratti and Tronchett, who as can be seen, are not only business partners, but coincidentally support the same club:



The ties between Inter Milan and Telecom Italia are a thousand times stronger than anything Moggi had with league officials. Jager, I dont possibly see how u can downplay those connections. Conflict's of interest in Italy are never coincidental.

Also, u think the FIGC are going to punish the very company who pays them? That is y nothing came of it, and that is y Rossi was appointed, to divert attention away. Furthermore, until Telecom Italia are no longer the leagues main sponsor, nothing will change and Inter will continue to be favoured.

Lastly, b4 Telecom Italia illegally leaked the illegal wiretaps to its own parent company media (what a coincidence, of all the papers they could give them to, they choose the one who's CEO is its VP, and who is also Inter's VP), they tried to give them to the authorities, but they refused to prosecute because THERE WAS NOTHING INCRIMINATING ON THE TAPES. Only an Inter director could say otherwise, and even than, the judge who signed the papers that sent Juve to serie b said this:

"In spite of a lack of evidence regarding match fixing, Juventus were sentenced to Serie B and stripped of their titles after taking into consideration the collective interests of the parties involved in the investigation.”

Collective interest. I wonder what he means by that?

Secondly, this hypothesis is just that. I personally don't buy that. Heads of companies have very little time for such trivial things. Trust me on this. I deal with them regularly.

It's not a hypothesis. The President and Board of Directors run a company. They are responsible for its action's. To say otherwise ignores the laws of corporate governance. Not to mention u have just labeled illegal wiretaps as "trivial things". I rest my case.

As for conviction or what not, I said my peace on this. I understand you are very upset and mad, and you want to get back at Inter and Milan and such. But that is life.

Its a matter of justice. I dont want to get back at Milan, only Inter, who sent my club to serie b, and stole our scudetto.

I have read the transcripts of Moggi's dealings and I know he talked to players under contract for other clubs, he is disrespectful man, with no business class.

A common practice, and nothing compared to forging passports, forging health insurances on contracts, accounting fraud, and espionage, all things Inter Milan have either been fined for, or in the case of accounting fraud, had the law changed so it is no longer considered illegal. The transcripts u read, compare them to the ones in court. They cut off sentences half way through, and took things way out of context.

For you to defend him speaks volumes of the reach and "cult" status he has created. Juve are much better off without him, the league is better. Yes, this is my opinion Nick.

For you to downplay the extremely strong links I have shown speaks volumes on how naive you're being. I never claimed Moggi was the cleanest man in Italy, but he certainly isn't the dirtiest, and the things he was "convicted" of are false.

Every non football fan I have presented this info to is shocked. This sentiment is also shared by magistrates across Italy and Europe (where Juve shareholders are doing pretty well, considering the FIGC wouldn't even accept their appeal. If the EU courts rule in favour of this group, the FIGC has no choice but to accept their decision.)

Moggi made a scapegoat to a scandal Inter Milan orchestrated through its parent company's, hence y they came out stronger from it and were even able to steal a scudetto for a year that wasn't even under investigation. The ties I presented above prove this, and show y Inter were protected from the scandal, even though numerous high ranking league officials, as well as refs, said Inter were their busiest customers.

Considering how inept our current management is, Moggi was a genius. He put together a squad with 8 world cup finalist, and yet u try and claim he needed help to win.