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Originally Posted by Cantona7
Spain winning the Euros in 1964 great lets all learn from the Spanish laughable mate totally laughable.
Italy won two World Cups in the 1930s and if you know anything about the game and read the history these victories were tarnished with controversy. Italian football have been bribing officials and everything and everyone else since the year dot. My advice to you is to read up about Italian football because they have never one an honest game in there history mate. Quite frankly anything they do I always treat with suspicion. Look at the recent scandals if that was England we would never be allowed to compete in the local Sunday let alone international competitions.
Give you your due the Germans are well the Germans hold me hands up to them.
The French are total class and how you have the front to run them down is beyond me. What Schumacher did was common assault and if that does not affect a team's concerntration then I would not like you to be in a team with you because that was a disgrace. That incident was the turning point of the match and he should have been sent off and banned for a good period of time at least. To win the World Cup in 1998 and then follow that up with Euro 2000 in my eyes is sensational.
Zindane is one the greatest players to grace this game and being a Liverpool fan you should know that Materazzi has has form all over the place. He is one of the dirtiest players ever to grace the so called beautiful game and I will forgive Zizou that misdemeanour because many other players would probably have done the same thing. He has always had a nasty streak and some of the things that he has got away with is scandalous to say the least.
Finally your beloved Stevie G. World Class for Liverpool no question but for England not good enough. He was captain against Croatia and he had a poor game and did not lead by example. You can make all the excuses you want but he was average like most of his England performances. The only great game that I can remember from him was when we beat the Germans 5-1.
Also Wazza has been much more consistent for England than Stevie G period. Wazza was England's best player at Euro 2004 and Stevie G not only gave the ball away for one of the goals against the French but overall his play in tournaments for England have been average at best. He also missed a penalty for England in the shoot out against Portugal.
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1. no lets not all learn from the Spanish, lets not claim that they have not won anything when they blatantly have.
2. im assuming you dont know the ins and outs of any of the Italian successes, so lets not pretend otherwise just cos you have had a skim through wikipedia eh. dont tell me Ian Walker was bribed when he let Zola's shot inside his near post at Wembley?? that explains everything.
3. The French are class? Go on....explain to me how. yeah they had a great team around 1998-2000, some great players, before that they hadnt even qualified for the previous two world cups. Hardly a sustained history of World Cup glory is it? As for allowing Zidane off with costing his side the World Cup because he is a great player, sorry but it doesnt wash. Materazzi may be a dirty twat, no one will deny that, but if Zizou rises above it and plays his game, he can laugh his way to a World Cup winners medal, instead of ending a great career in shame, and with a losers medal. Im not condoing Schumacher's antics in any way, but it was a pressure situation and the French didnt deal with it- thats my point. No comment made on the way they defended their World Cup in 2002 of course. How do i have the "front" to do the French down for that?
4. My "beloved" - see my posts, i cant stand the prick- Stevie G/Wazza. Its not a contest of who has been better or worse, the fact is that neither of them have been at their best for England in a long long time. In fact Wayne's last consistent run of form came at Euro 2004 in fact. Remember how long he went without a competitive goal after that? Gerrard was the one England player who rose above the dirge and the boos in Andorra, dragged us to the win. Yeah, Andorra are shite, but there were other players on the pitch that night who didnt wanna know. As for World Cup 2006, Gerrard was our top scorer with two goals and had to do the majority of the midfield defensive work alongside a misfiring Lampard, he was certainly one of our better performers, whilst Rooney was the man who effectively ensured penalties for England with a petulant stamp on Carvalho's tezzys. Gerrard missed a pen in that shootout, fair point- but then no one doubts the quality of Baggio, Trezeguet, Platini, Pearce, Maradona do they? And they all missed penalties in World Cups. Gerrard gets a raw deal because the press have decided all of a sudden that he is shite and Barry is good. Just like they decided that Hargreaves was shite, and then that he was good at the World Cup, and that Lampard was shite earlier this year. The sad thing is, people buy into it without a moments thought.